Here is one to a Pen-L contributor calling himself Boddhisatva:  To help ease the impending bitter pil along its passage, getting your medicine down, iow help you go through a healing crisis onslaught which renews and vitalizes even down to the bone, I will first indicate where I heartily agree with you: the following section is taken from my /commendablinklist.htm
economy from the bottom on up:  imperative principles (if not reading) to aid the incessantly fresh attempts to liberate, seceed and emancipate from, start up, autonomize, in other words: make selfsufficient and independent numerous derelict lots, mininations, territories and (bio)regions like whole watersheds (preferably, since that would be able to pioneer, demonstrate and show an integral alternative way to hark back to constituencies both mute and very vocal): www.free.de/geld
(the substance of this site is in Germanthough not the links) (the best work there was written in the 30ties by Ulrich von Beckerath',  posted here along with some other classic social reformers from the monetarily savvy anarchist corner, in or translated into German; as I said elsewhere, he would make up for Hitler and all the other German speaking evil ones, past and future if only his ideas were given a go for a century or so. Will somebody please post some in english? I went to Australia to accomplish this but ended up with a course correction toward indiginous issues on which I and the custodian of Beckerath's remaining work (thousands and thousands of repetitive letters available from him on microfiche) did not see eye to eye; for more backscratch turned bite see the appendices) Another economist who deserves some focus now is Roland Vaubel, scarcely to be found though; he is one of the hundred something or so economics professors from Germany to speak out against a rush job for the EURO, arguing in favor of a  proof of balance delivering step by step sort of progression as best for most such cases in a big fat academic tome about currency competition and unification.  Two of the all too rare bits of info on John Zube's by now 1400 microfiche issues, see my appendices and value standard chapter: art.net/Poets/Jennifer/anarchy
http://www.newciv.org/GIB/BOV/BV-620.HTML (it's been there a good long while)
I will now play missing link between you and Jim by telling you (all?) where to find people working on filling that conceptual hiatus of yours (and with you many) about what permapleached wilderness (tradition with a modern knot, graft and twist or so may do. In my new links file I placed it in this category: going native sites: http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/tinkers.htm (Low Impact Development Planning and people in a sustainable countryside' author simon Fairlie's abode; a bubbling bender behovelment called: Tinker's blobble). An aside: In a discussion about wether democrapitalism can sucker just about anybody with their bribes; about native and indiginous peoples' desire to give up their traditions and if they do so as easily and eagerly as fresher and/or rasher hybrids, B coined the phrase: '20 acres and a deer' implying this would constitute a living too poor to boast about or wanna hold on to. 20 acres and a deer You probably gathered I came across your 20 acres and a deer definition of hunter/gatherer subsistence. A deer and what? A deer and/in paradise surely? Dunno what I mean? Perpetual carnival of suprise star appearances from within the community with its amply filled myriads of  niches; the most alively diverse and multiply buffered layer land (not to be confused with lui lekker (lazy, nice) land) possible. Silk hats on pigs indeed. Perhaps a bit of smooth mud flung/slapped and/or sprayed across colourful confetti swept up into compost piles by our stage hand the wind who insists on being payed and flayed by birds wings......etc. Even at my 40 years of age I saw a miracle in the very old metropolis I peddle through. The park has a rainbow conjuring fountainpond, I am one of the few from the hundred thousand or so who has ever swam it voluntarily, but I have never ever yet seen what I saw there this morning: a bathing heron. Just do try do justice to my selfchosen nickname. de reiger neemt een bad
de reiger maakt zijn veren nat.    In a lot of ways the 'hyping of hypering': driving info industry shareprices up as an act of faith and vote of confidence in the surely near consensual and to be verified feeling that the tricking (us all into the trickle down) trick inventions which ex defence industry employers are allowed to run riot on and with (a matter of inventing screenings which prevent all good things, (still believed to be coming from above exclusively, this I now realize even more acutely after reading Deloria (thanks pen-Lers)), from being disgraced and unrecognizably fragmented upon reaching too low a mired level in the hyrarchy of beings, iow: to be caught before they get to far down and negligibly out of reach for the initially privileged as economic weather director, bearometric pretty sure pressure pumper(go for the big fish, be a man) is analogous to what permaculture is able to do to people (with natal earth houses housing favorable aspect and/or venus well enough escorted...that means everybody really....at some window of opportunity or other..this just maybe yours...); they see the future all rosy, cosy and sumptious, act on the courage of their visionary convictions and start with the first steps to see some results quick enough to provide shade in 7 years at the most.
Both factions are able to argue believably cause they are given the credit of prophets, people speaking from a position of having been there (much of the respect for indigenes derives therefrom also). The greenies give account of physical perfectability and harmonization when they are are able to paint the fullgrown pleached and otherwise infrastructured (a process that will take a 1000 years to become (re)established with all the glitches of forgotten, exterminated and incompatible combo's worked out (again)) picture replete with abundance and free time. If we are on towards such days, we'll have indians leading no doubt,  and if I can help it they'll just cut up rock more spectacularly than they ever did it to living hearts one time. The optimism on info shares is similar: people expect the companies to harmonize their products and by rocking the boats, hoppering the stopped up passage ways into flow and metabolism, that is: allowing employees to crossfertilize at a moments notice (kindalike rainbow gatherings, where every teahouse respects the man hauling a chunk of wood) clean each other's junk up. Well....your turn always comes wether you pass 'm up or not.            So far (more than a week now) he is playing the rude prude, not bothering to reciprocate with a link of his own but for more attentive readers I will point to the so far regrettably few other titbits on Zube and Beckerath within my site: value standards..., bibliography.... and inthrow       Another day (15 oct) of intense csf time behind me. Time to send something off to 5 of yus. Yall are invited to go see what I made of the increasing amount of time spent on PEN-L; especially since late summer I have perused and read almost half (with liberal...oops, generous sprinklings of some others thrown in) of Jim Craven's, Boddhi's, Proyect's and valis's contributions to 9 out of the 17 available...discussions, meanwhile archives.     Quite impressive, my kind of soap opera, with yall taking turns going red in the face and blowing up, maturer and perhaps more cynical characters excepted.... Thanks for the refs Jim; and yes Boddhi, principles are more lasting than people but there ain't no what withou a who and none of yall even touch the backed up right up front specificity and perspicacious penetration of Ulrich von Beckerath, so there! It may seem odd that he is only to be found on the net at a virtually lifeless webadress (he has however been available on fiche for decades thanks to the diligence of a dissident German jailwarden in Auzzieland. Ahaaah, the vagaries of fate, such high comedy, ain't it?) which I nevertheless call my fav cause of his presence there. Philip Callahan, another one of my hero's isn't on the net either except for a book add or two, but he is still alive luckily.
Dearest Louis, I'm sorry to see violence has not found better use than vague hopes for confrontational kinds or offendingly dismissive ones when you come across something like the fwd: Amster-demo; which you dismiss on grounds more seriously judgemental than just flawed formulation (see the bit above about yourself). I  personally prefer to swear by out- and overgrowing rather than throwing over and out as trump and tip off towards my kind of a more native, indiginous kind of celtic radicality, the type I must be suited to understand better than others. It will be a long time before any of their tribes are taking off from where they left off, or rather invite and entice their strays back to the fold. Wanna trade, anybody?
Anyway this is my token of appreciation.
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