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Content: Argentina <><<>><> Euro <><<>><> open source <><<>><> Doug Henwood interviewed by Geert Lovink (nettimer) <><<>><> ?????? G A P ?????? <><<>><> YES!!!!!! phillyimc.org/alternatives !!!! My first posts there <><<>><> the VOC, space exploration, the net as a crimetool and 'oh, but I believe in ways and means for speaking someone dear a far cry from here  <><<>><>  Is privatize a 'nice' way to say secretize?  <><<>><>  Middle east related rot <><<>><> Oh by the way, this is the sort of couleur-make up at guerrillanews.com <><<>><> a mirror (deceased but well balmy) update <><<>><> on rurality and militia <><<>><> next item follows up seamlessly: Switserland; a little later on we see it come under justified liberarian praise and  less justified fire from same (since personal arms are incomparable to more massive misery causing ones)  <><<>><> semi-simiantism plays up and a defect from zionism petition is doing its dogged round me pursuing just as doggedly with complementary traffictricks (which gemini's are most notorious for) <><<>><> a heady hippy  <><<>><> muslimama's <><<>><> windmill power <><<>><> spooky symbolisms by Bauval (what a great name for the world's authority on Pyramids) <><<>><>  friday, the last day for this file's growth were many and various (more on posers in the German speaking countries) <><<>><> Indy Austria is
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108224 "being outnumbered by even a small combination from all others ... .. . ...  by piet 11:09am Wed Dec 19 '01   .. . .. .. .eliminates all possible imperialist ambition on the part of any one. Quote from a little essay by Leopold Kohr whose point is to keep coalitions small so diversity remains large. To this 1941 effort is attached my still unanswered query as to the whereabouts and well or worse being of the lbo-talk list went. 108049

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/message/3229 Henwood at the Leninist thingy in Esssen last year (long)

  NYC indy 15283 gold-eagle.com/editorials.html  The Euro, Gold and the Dollar (long predictable rant; here are the closing lines: Secondly, actual euro/gold redemption is to the severe economic disadvantage of the ECB and its nations because a redeemable gold euro would essentially foreclose the opportunity for ECB nations to criminally loot and plunder the purchasing power of the nations of the world through the use of fiat euros as public and private foreign reserves. Payments between nations in physical gold keeps international trade relatively honest. Gold as the international moneychanger currency assures 'something for something'. A world-wide empire of a primary fiat currency for the payments between nations criminally defrauds the world and enriches without merit the fiat reserve currency creators. A fiat currency as the primary international moneychanger currency (reserve currency) assures the fabulous riches of world-wide 'something for nothing' exchanges. We Americans (our bankers) could not resist that temptation. I do not expect European bankers to resist that temptation. I do not expect any peoples of the world to resist the temptation of fabulous world-wide riches for nothing. That is why we the people must demand a return to circulating physical gold and silver currency, without fractional reserve banking. )  Oh, I get, it the fat here, the sun and the hardy host is that the picture? I got loads of leads offs, nuance and derivative for you on that score; just go to https://poetpiet.tripod.com/index2.htm and click the grey bar which says some thing about multiplicities. As for gold, I have been offering perspectives on the bright side of its history from the thirties written by some vastly underestimated dead people for a few years now (including some notes on the dark side of 'precious' metals resulting from the side effects of greed and a misunderstanding of symbiotic ties between the symbolic and substantial (this comment will double as a renewed comment at memes.org where I posted the following URL too but incompletely so far): guest_appearances/intro_to_currency_issues.htm I think I posted this URL at this very or a similar gold buggy place before by the way. You will find the texts there (about a Meg, hope you don't mind extreme not to say extravagant use of shades; some of them have an escape URL to a black on white version and I will establish a portal for shadophobics) to be a welcome addition/contrast/follow up/whatever to the piece here (which I will be incorporating in https://poetpiet.tripod.com/20-21-reads.htm today, read soon and comment on still later (comp time limited). Come see previous issues at /print-resource-friendly-reads3.htm

108411 shows 12 links on the argentine crisis (20 people died there last night): zmag.org/Sustainers/content/2001-05/29weisbrot.htm zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9101-victors-2.html zmag.org/Sustainers/content/2001-05/01hahnel.htm
tc.columbia.edu/cice/vol01nr2/apart1.htm
Influences of neoliberalism on the educational prospects of Latin American youth
CICE article - Comparative Education
globalpolicynetwork.org/data/argentina.html
Argentina Global Policy Network
isreview.org/issues/19/TomLewis.shtml
Is there a solution for Latin America?  International Socialist Review
donau-uni.ac.at/en/presse/kat1_file118.html
Crisis in Argentina is a challenge for Mercosur Donau-Universität Krems
http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Global_Economy/
Yahoo news full coverage global economy
laboreducator.org/globwrk.htm
Globalization at work The Labor Educator
coha.org/00_36_IMF&Argentina.htm
Shortsighted IMF jumps onto floundering Argentine ship The Council on Hemispheric Affairs
http://www.debtchannel.org/
Argentina - unlawful debt or financial crime against human development Attac
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11337
IMF "rescue" won't help Latin America Mark Weisbrot
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11416
Argentina and the IMF Institute for Public Accuracy

133692 Open Letter to the No-wing Milita Movement (english) by LWOD 8:40am Tue Feb 12 '02 (Modified on 8:47am Tue Feb 12 '02) From Live Wild Or Die zine #8 2001, author(s) unknown. Posted by Trans-Mississipi News Service.  ----- one commenter (Julian) out of a handful: ".... Second, urban activists seem not to care to try to understand rural issues at all but would rather write rural people off as racist rednecks. Rural people who are trying to address the same issues we're all facing by militantly defending themselves are written off as racists without any research or further inquiry. Furthermore, some exposure to anarchist,  anti-capitalist and anti-racist ideas would help keep the nazis away and prevent rural youth from becoming racists.  I need to do more research on all this, as do the former posters.." ---------------

133626 IMC SWITZERLAND UNDER FIRE (english) by Latuff (who is a cartoon artist) 5:36am Tue Feb 12 '02 (Modified on 8:55am Tue Feb 12 '02) latuff@uninet.com.br Swiss non-governmental organization Aktion Kinder des Holocaust is threatening with legal charges two members from editorial staff of Independent Media Center of Switzerland, an alternative media group formed by volunteer activists, for publishing of material seems as anti-Semitic. ---------1st of 2 comments as of euro tuesday eve: Cheap excuse (english) by Remember Deir Yassim 8:28am Tue Feb 12 '02 Palestinians are semite. It does not seem that Latuff is anti-semitic. I don't think he was saying anything particularly bad about semitic people, rather some particular persons who may be semitic. The "anti-semitic" label is often used as a cheap all-encompassing and convenient "weapon" whenever some people want to prevent the rest of the world from addressing issues such as the Palestinian Holocaust. "Black" Jews are treated very shabbily in Israel. A totally shameful act recently was the refusal by a certain category of Jews preventing the body of a Jewish commando from being buried in their ground. He was "black". Is there any protection for these Jews from Jews who are "white"? How does "anti-semitic" apply in instances of gross prejudice by one semitic category ("white") against another? The same ploy was used in UK and France when some Jews were prosecuted (for grand scale financial and electoral fraud) it was called anti-semitic. I suppose when blacks or whites are prosecuted, they can also scream "anti-black" or "anti-white"? Meanwhile, while you ponder these, you could do something about this: Here is the online petition for the reservists who refuse to participate in the genocidal rampage of Adolf Sharon who is trying to outdo all his ZioNazi predecessors in exacerbating the Palestinian Holocaust. http://www.seruv.org/CivilPeteng.asp Show your support for the brave reservists by signing and telling all about it. Don't forget to visit israelshamir.net Some Arabs call Mr Shamir, son of a famous rabbi anti-semitic. after a rabid antizionist comment with many links -----------------  I go:Remdeirya said it all already . .almost,  I would like to add to his info; that petition is damn tricky; his link leads you to the (root of the) Hebrew site and the files are damn long, get you stuck waitin; click stop soon after targeting the url and find the 'english' button; you should end up here: http://www.seruv.org.il/civeng.asp even there click stop soon unless you can keep up with 3050 petitioner info's -----------  the other thing I would like to say is that the swiss indy item on this topic http://switzerland.indymedia.org  /display.php3?article_id=8134 has 50 commenters already!!!!!!!!!!1; sorta funny all this comes right after reading Elias Canetti's Zuri school years for me; relevant part is the account of his urgent enthusiasm about answering teacher's questions; he delicately describes how he didn't learn much about (respect for) his fellow student until reprimanded after rising tensions and holding back his eager beaver flash intellogenes (I recognize this so well and remember the proverb fill out hour as the one of my few childhood 'g(l)ories'). No less interesting perhaps is what happed over last weekend here in Holland: the most right wing populist rising (cometlike and also a gay person) has led into a battle his party couldn't keep up to: immigration stop and repeal of discrimination law cause it doesn't stroke with free speech; his plan is to allow the mullahs and imam to go right ahead and compare him to a pig(pigs homo's? Never seen such a thing and I used to clean their stables) and such but he will have'm all become truely Dutch (after his fashion I guess) before allowing any more hard won liberty antagonists into the country. -------------- also tacked and tandemed the same onto a few more identical placements  by Remember Deir Yassim; at 133672 among others. ------  on friday  135491 LISTEN UP!!!- The Palestinian/Israeli struggle is more complicated ---- I go: practically impracticable sign unless  . .  slowpokepietrickore I like the petition post but I've been haunting the poster with this info which I think he should incorporate: that petition is damn tricky; his link leads you to the (root of the) Hebrew site and the files are damn long, get you stuck waitin with the average speed connection; I recommend:
 click stop soon after targeting the url and find the 'english' button;
you should end up here:  seruv.org.il/civeng.asp even once you get there you should click stop immediately unless you can
keep up with 3050 petitioner info's (and that was only tuesday)----------

 http://switzerland.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=8933the background of AKdH by case closed 8:58pm Tue Feb 12 '02 STOP ATTACK ON LATUFF! AKDH has a foul reputation based on its actions, including: *working to silence the journalistic investigation that exposed Binjamin Wilkomirski's "Fragments" to be a fraud. Wilkomirksi wrote a book that claimed to represent his supposed experiences as a child in a nazi death camp. Today, the book and Wilkomirski are universally regarded as fraudulent. He was in fact born in 1941, raised in Zurich during all of World War II, "and knows Auschwitz only as a tourist." But that information would never have become known if akdh had had its way: "It is becoming barely feasible, but we still are inclined to believe his story, in principle. In the meantime, further interventions arrive. Wilkomirski and "Aktion Kinder des Holocaust," a group clearly close to him, request both orally and in writing that we cease from further research." stopbadtherapy.com/  experts/fragments/ganzfried.html For more on the Wilkomirski hoax, see the 800+ references at Google: google.com/search?hl=en&q = wilkomirski+fragments&btnG=Google+Search *akdh was the power behind the scenes in defaming a school in a series of TV broadcasts. The broadcasters were forced to issue a public retraction after court action was brought. "In Germany, two TV-programs were broadcast by REPORT-Mainz, on 28 Feb and 10 July 2000, seemingly much based on lobbying by AKdH (Aktion Kinder der Holocaust), a small group in Basle. The programs alleged an inherent anti-Semitism in Waldorf education was coming to increased expression at Waldorf schools in Germany, making Jewish parents increasingly taking their cildren out of the schools. The second program has been put up at the site of PLANS as one of its tool in its campaign against Waldorf education. "The programs led to a storm of protests from Waldorf parents, pupils and teachers at the c.180 Waldorf schools in Germany. Evelyn Hecht-Galinski, former Waldorf pupil and daughter of Heinz Galinski, a former chairman of the Central Jewish Council in Germany, considered the Report program on Waldorf schools to be "propaganda of the worst kind" and published an appeal in defence of the Waldorf schools in Allgemeine Jüdische Wochenzeitung, (General Jewish Weekly) and in five large German Newspapers. "In a third broadcast, 9 April 2001, the program, faced with the need to in court prove its allegation on the removal of Jewish children from Waldorf schools by their parents, retreated from the allegation." http://hem.passagen.se/thebee/  comments/Germany/Germany.htm *akdh has gone after real nazi sites, but they have also attacked others. Latuff is merely the latest case in point. The adkh strategy is to force free website providers to eject anyone akdh doesn't like, and then to lock them when they go to commercial sites: "The strategy is to push away such pages from free providers to commercial sites and than lock this sites." http://volksgruppen.orf.at/austria/  en/archiv02/010212_en.htm This seems to be a first stage assault on Latuff. If they can successfully intimidate his cartoons off free sites like IMC, then they will be able to target him very easily if he goes to commercial sites. ----- As for the actual legality of their actions:Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:26:43 +0200 From: Matthias Leisi To: Declan McCullagh Subject: Re: FC: German state moves to block "illegal" sites including rotten.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011016193919.00ab6da0@mail.well.com>; from declan@well.com on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:51:41PM -0700 (Context: politechbot.com/p-02662.html) Swiss authorities have tried similar approaches in the (not-so-distant) past. In January/Februar 2001, under the pressure of a group which calls itself "Aktion Kinder des Holocaust" (Action of Holocaust Children) swiss ISPs were asked to block traffic to a yet unkown number of (nazi propaganda) sites. SIUG (Swiss Internet Users Group) asked ISPs directly as to what sites they were blocking, but only few responded (mainly those who said they were not blocking anything). But two large backbone providers (Sunrise.ch and IP/Plus, subsidiary of former monopolist Swisscom) were blocking access to at least some sites. See SIUG Press Release at siug.ch/presse/Presse.20010629.html Already in 1998, Swiss authorities requested that ISPs shut down connectivity to a number of sites (a transcript of this letter is available at http://groups.google.com/  groups?oi=djq&selm=an_374548192 ). There is no sound legal base for those attempts at censorship _yet_. There are some provision in terms of laws on anti-hate speech already in place, and two parliamentary initiatives to clarify the situation for ISPs are underway: parlament.ch/ab/frameset/d/n/  4609/35656/d_n_4609_35656_35784.htm Matthias (Disclaimer: Member of SIUG)   interesting-people.org/archives/  interesting-people/200110/msg00230.html ------- Waldorf ist merkwürdig, da hat die AKDH recht by Waldorf-Holzfäller 9:40pm Tue Feb 12 '02 Die Waldorf-Schule ist nun mal merkwürdig und hinterfragenswert, da hat die AKDH recht. Rudolf Steiner mit seiner behämmerten Wurzelrassen-Theorie ist ja wohl kaum jemand, für den man sich einsetzen sollte. Und meines Wissens hat sich die Waldorf-Schickeria nicht gross von der Wurzelrassen-Kacke distanziert. Man kann sich natürlich fragen, ob AKDH wieder gleich mit dem Vorschlaghammer drauflos gehauen hat, anstatt die Sache langsam und halbwegs korrekt anzugehen. Aber es gibt echt wichtigere Probleme auf dieser Welt...---------  Nieder mit esoterischen Rassisten by Nakam 9:42pm Tue Feb 12 '02 Die Anthroposophie, jene Ideologie die hinter den Waldorfschulen steht, ist eine rassistische und antisemitische Sektenlehre und hat nichts mit fortschrittlichen Ideen zu tun! Die AKdH hingegen sehr wohlt! Der Fall Wilkirski. --------- Brief an den Autor Stefan Mächler by finderin 10:48pm Tue Feb 12 '02 akdh.ch/ps/ps_02Maechler.html ---------- hang latuff and punish his fanclub! by hexenfeuer 10:18am Wed Feb 13 '02 hang latuff and punish his fanclub! Die Bedrohung, die die FepA fühlt by keine Angst 10:45am Wed Feb 13 '02 @Hexenfeuer, die Bedrohung, die die FepAisten und die FepAistin immer wieder hervorheben, diese Barbarische, rohe Gewalt, und die auch dem Vertreter der AkDH sorgen macht, blendet eines aus: Es gibt in dieser Geschichte Drohaufrufe von allen Möglichen Leuten, gegen alle möglichen Leute. Deine Drohung richtet sich gegen Latuf, den du hängen willst und gegen den Latuf Fanclub, den du bestrafen willst. (Wen meinst du damit?) Also, ich weiss nicht wer du bist, und was du mit deinem Comment bezwecken willst. Dass du dich mit dem Namen Hexenfeuer in die Nähe der Inquisition rückst, lässt mich vermuten, dass du nur Öl ins Feuer giessen willst, zu deiner Unterhaltung. Du bist einE IdiotIn.   8398 and 8888 are relevant and the green frame below has more too)    --------  the austrian post in particular is revealing; the founder poses as Nazi on different fora and then publically denounces them for not taking action against him!!!!!

134780 A loooooooong post from wwww.luminist.org a hippy who likes drugs and aleister Crowley, he wants to start a religion and harvests one comment: There it is (english) by . 9:19pm Wed Feb 13 '02 You made a big pile of fresh steaming bullshit and posted it on the internet. I hope you're happy now. the guy has a beard; mine won't reach that length for about a year (or so). --- These 2 essays are taken up in feb-reads3.htm: POST-APOCALYPTIC PAGANISM  -- Utopianism, anarchism, and the rainbow nation.

http://members.shaw.ca/fairsystem/WelcomeToRadicalSite.htm the older website. ../WelcomeToConventionalSite.htm Has the season of pontificators started or what?????? Glickman is from Courtenay ----- definitely worth a visit: ../Links.htm ----- There is a substantial Indonesian leg for this site to stand on ------ geocities.com/bikeadvoc/urban.html bike page; I really detest visiting geocities now since the ancient machines and software I work from are temporarily lamed by the java and it don't even add anything to the ads!!!!!!!!!!!!!

134290  Muslim Women Say They're Equal in Islam ---- an item about the dustguard - veil - modesty - protection racket evokes a comment of mine  by piet 11:31am Wed Feb 13 '02   first off, what might be the pragmatic reason for the damn rags? DUST!!!!! And that's why I get the creeps when I see them in green environments; are they harbingers? Just a little tardy in realizing they can be (dust)freeer now?  Second, who's fooling anyone about modesty or equality or inviolability or for that matter the scarring process supposedly keeping everybody in line (even Pierre Clastres retoric leaks on this score). Can't hide cuteness, ugliness for a minute, nor the schizofrenia of capitalism compounded by mono everything forever neither.   Can't call missing vital ingredients or excessively free speech discrimination and I'll leave you with my latest greatest retrievealalls on the sexual front: the middle section from: serpentfd.org/postulates.html  (see prfr one pagedown tap here till filefillment, thereafter via fourth prfr collection)