Started on the 18th of dec 2001; last additions: 4th of februari 2002
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for a fooull range vintage
Welcome to Pietje puk's currents; these socalled 'logbriefers' get renamed once full and archived here: /2001/logsbriefers.htm. This one will be dec.htm ----------- For stil earlier off the cuff stuff see the archived issues at: /miscs-n-logs/ (1999 - 2000) ------- (and if you swish, find older yet, called miscellanies (98-99) from here: /correspondence).----- Hope you will take a pokepeek at more systemic efforts by yours truely as well.   ---- 
/print-resource-friendly-reads.htm series. ------ First batch: (59K)  (for all issues up to sept.) ------ The next one:  (57K) for 28 issues (oct. 20th to nov. 13th)  ---- Now, a  third agrowin': (57K so far)   I take all prfr (print resource friendly reads) content tables out of the 'current' logbriefer and indymediasamples files once I herd 'm into a heap (no sense in doubling and tripling stuff)

Content here: mostly economics  Doug Henwood --xxx-- the fraserinstitute on the euro  --xxx-- mentalarchitact  --xxx-- gift, altruism, reputation and open source vs scarcity --- euro optimism at the fraser institute which sites a very cautious Vaubel (who's new book on the EU is out now) also though --xxx-- Sarkar blurb --xxx-- open money author Keith Hart --xxx-- orrery --xxx--grist on A Roy  --xxx--  the rest of this file is a bunch of correspondence with 6 different females although I have my doubts about the first one; sex kills when sold - sex dies when bought . .. wait, the very term sex is evil vivi- and disection and genesis is a tale most subversive of responsible population policy (which takes a (B)ordered bioregion); anyway the first one is a try to reach some schemers behind a personals --xxx-- correspondence about my personal at --xxx-- Rosy bug (I hope to be pally with all my life but haven't managed such a thing with anybody so far (is there sumthing wrung wimme?) --xxx-- a real vacancy filler/gap bridger/ new acquaintance this one --xxx-- smartest and headyest of the bunch interspersed with articles on euro and cooperation through sanctions and exploiting / liberalizing info on reputations --xxx-- crude (Confucius) jokes --xxx-- my former employer --xxx--  some bodies not only heard and shared my prayer but did simthoing bout it: IMC-alternatives !!!!!

Last issue ended thusly: This may have been the last blast for a while folks.
I'm just squeezin one more in if you don't mind, I am though,
 just about out of fast and cheap clock time
but that's better than (about) to (be) clock(ing) out of time.

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That yesterday's extra.htm contained the following: "The Northern European social democracies hold their position at the head of the list, and appear to be undertaking a completely disproportionate amount of actual work. Countries in Southern Europe rank only slightly above the United States, while Mexico, Canada and the United Kingdom are positioned near the presumed mean. In traditional economic lingo, the United States appears to be free riding on a collective good provided predominantly by non-Americans. The stark nature of this contrast is a devastating blow to arguments about post-scarcity "gift cultures". If the wealthiest country in the world is one of the least active (relative) contributors to open source development, it seems ludicrous to explain said development as a function of post-materialism. ---- Economic Theory Revisited ---- With a relatively small sample size, this survey is not robust enough to draw statistically conclusive findings about all open source projects. But this is not the point. As has already been discussed, conducting a simple random survey of developers is completely infeasible since it invariably requires selecting on the dependent variable: the very criteria used to define what constitutes an open source project will inevitably introduce bias. It also seems likely that the international distribution of developers will change as we shift across the matrix presented above. Commercial support for complementary projects is undoubtedly stronger in the United States than in Europe, if only because American equity markets have historically supported open source companies.

Views of a Euro-Optimist There are euro-pessimists and euro-optimists, even at The Fraser Institute. I belong to the latter group. I am convinced that monetary unification will work well, and provide Europeans with large benefits. Consumers will save about $3 billion annually—75 percent of banks’ current foreign exchange business—by eliminating the 11 different currencies. Firms will further save by shrinking their internal foreign exchange departments. Tourists and business travellers will benefit by saving time and money, and will endure less hassle with currency conversions. Because euro-denominated assets will be free from exchange risks, such assets’ interest rates will be lower. Markets in these assets will become larger, deeper, more competitive, and more liquid, which will benefit lenders and borrowers, including governments, which will enjoy lower debt-servicing costs. The euro-area markets for consumer goods will become more unified as price-comparison shoppers arbitrage away differences in prices. More large firms will sell goods throughout the union, taking advantage of economies of scale in marketing and production, which in turn will lower prices for consumers. With the relative size of foreign trade having diminished—to about US levels —the euro-currency area will be relatively immune to foreign economic disturbances, permitting the union to treat its external economic relations with US-style benign neglect. Externally-caused shocks to domestic stability will no longer encourage currency devaluations. Under the pre-euro regime, for example, a drop in world prices in natural resources would typically lower the exchange rate of countries relying heavily on their exports. The lower exchange rate would make that country’s other exporters more profitable, spurring economy-wide wage increases. When the world prices returned to normal, the currency didn’t —the country’s cost structure had adapted to the lower exchange rate (this process can explain most of the Canadian dollar’s secular decline during the past 25 years). The euro will stop the current downward bias in some exchange rates. The union’s more integrated economies will enjoy greater economic and price stability since random shocks will often offset each other. A shift in the jet-stream which reduces the citrus crop in the South is likely to produce bumper crops in more temperate regions. Cyclical decreases in demand in one region will likely match booms in another. Flawed or politically motivated monetary policies—which had been frequent in some countries during the postwar years—will no longer cause inflation, unemployment, high interest rates, currency speculation, and revaluations. The euro will increase labour market discipline, preventing powerful trade unions from extracting higher wages for themselves at the economy’s expense. With employers unable to pass on higher costs, (which they used to be able to do, knowing that they would be recouped through currency devaluations), employers will resist unwarranted wage demands more strongly. For their part, the labour unions will be forced to curtail such wage demands or see their members unemployed. Being less exposed to foreign disturbances, the European Union will need lower international reserves than its members’ current combined holdings. The excess reserves can be invested productively. Meanwhile, other central banks will want euro reserves to diversify and reduce risk. The euro currency will compete effectively with US dollars in a wide range of cash-based transactions throughout the world, yielding substantial profits—printing currency notes costs little, and their holders pay for them with real goods and services. Of course, these and other benefits are not cost-free. The new currency will require changes to accounting systems, bank and vending machines, parking meters, and so on. People will need to become familiar with new bills, coins, and prices. Though high, these are one-time costs, sure to be dwarfed by ever-lasting benefits. Euro-pessimists worry about so-called asymmetric shocks—a simultaneous decrease in the demand for Irish linen and increase in the demand for Finnish lumber, for example. As members of the euro zone, neither Ireland nor Finland could moderate these changes through monetary and exchange rate policies. Unemployment, deflation, and inflation could last longer and become severe. Some pessimists even fear civil wars. In my view, asymmetric shocks are a minor problem. Permanent shocks usually take time to develop, and offer efficient euro capital markets the opportunity to finance the gradual adjustment they require, free from the opportunistic monetary and exchange- rate policies of legislatures. Some shocks may be temporary, and private-sector responses will bring optimal adjustments more reliably than the political process and bring about the optimal rate of adjustments. The euro does bring the risk that the European Central Bank will become politicized, much like most national central banks, and adopt inflationary policies to suit its political masters. This possibility, though remote, requires much vigilance. The euro may also be used as a pretext to justify left-wing economic agendas, such as the unification of tax rates, labour market policies and wages, and the establishment of regional assistance programs. These policies need to be evaluated on their own merit. They don’t warrant euro-pessimism.

Remember my blurb on and post of DanWinter.htm along with a new twist to his tweaky art???? Here is something on the folks he has joined forces with. His now site is here:   -------From: Phil Graham  Lecturer (Communication) UQ Business School Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:34 +1000 Reply-To: UNDERSTANDING SARKAR The Indian Episteme, Macrohistory and Transformative Knowledge Sohail Inayatullah (Leiden, Brill, December 2001)  productinfo.asp?product=10103 ISBN 9004-121935, Price: EUR 42 - US$ 49,  New Book New Summary Sohail Inayatullah takes us on a journey through Indian philosophy, grand theory and macrohistory. We understand and appreciate Indian cyclical and spiral theories of history, and their epistemological context. From other civilizations, we explore the stages and mechanisms of social change as developed by seminal thinkers such as Ssu-Ma Ch'ien, Ibn Khaldun, Giambattista Vico, George Wilhelm Friedrick Hegel, Oswald Spengler, Pitirim Sorokin, Michel Foucault and many others. They are invited to a multi-civilizational dialog on the nature of agency and structure, and the escape ways from the patterns of history. But the journey is centered on P.R. Sarkar, the controversial Indian philosopher, guru and activist. While Sarkar passed away in 1990, his work, his social movements, his vision of the future remains ever alive. Inayatullah brings us closer to the heart and head of this giant luminary. Through Understanding Sarkar, we gain insight into Indian philosophy, comparative social theory, and the ways in which knowledge can transform and liberate. ---------- Comments on Understanding Sarkar The next generation of South Asians will consider themselves fortunate that scholars like Sohail Inayatullah have helped to keep open a humane and plural vision of the future for them. Dr. Ashis Nandy, Director, Center of the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi. Author of The Intimate Enemy and Traditions, Tyranny and Utopias. Deeply inspiring and provocative. The Sarkar-Inayatullah combination makes very good reading indeed. Inayatullah introduces the fascinating world - in time, in space, and in social space - of P.R. Sarkar. Johan Galtung, Professor of Peace, Political Science and Sociology at the Universities of Bern, Saarland, Hawaii and Witten-Herdecke, and author of over seventy books on peace studies, futures studies, international relations, Gandhi, and social theory. ------- Comments On Prabhat Rainjan Sarkar Sarkar's theories deserve serious study and discussion … Objectively they provide answers to all economic and social dilemmas … I owe my greatest intellectual debt to P. R. Sarkar. Dr. Ravi Batra, economist and best-selling author, Southern Methodist University, Texas.  -------- Sarkar is so much deeper and more imaginative than most … He is an intellectual giant of our times. Professor Johan Galtung, co-founder of International Peace Research Association and author of seventy one books on epistemology, world politics, Gandhi, civilization theory, macrohistory and peace studies.
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 items in brief "just say no to netscape explorer" ????????? (via -------- ---- New sitings of old and recent material by John Zube (microfiche masterer; a giant and dirtcheap collection; full time hobby of this retired prison warden) <><<>><> (obit for John Whitman Ray founder of body electronics (and sticking to the hamaker guns as does his succesor Doug Morrison) <><<>>< part 1 of 4 from a draft for 'everafterlives', the author of which wants you to ask permission for citing it (but I am siting it; a whole diffyballg aim and besides, if as said person does, one claims to wanna read stuff 'in terms of the romance of the loser' you are setting your self up as just such 'stuff' when neglecting to add an adress next to a request just cited without permission; OK to be fair there is one on the opening page:; note: he does offer a substantial chunk of a book of his: (1 of 3, 73K), which together with another part of it comes to 104K in my boockollactions: artcritic.htm  <><<>><> Updated March 12, 2001 while I was there (at nettime) I picked up a dose of screen blink art at the plinkjunk  ---------

Cass Petrus < wrote: /random_yet_spectral_samples.htm all i say is awestruck. i think that this is one of the nicest things that i have found online in quite awhile. ha! refreshing, relaxing. great. please reply. to have created seem almost g-dly. or i am incredibly naive. definately nice though. i like it. --------------------- the pic in the middle isn't mine (I'm sure your noticed; ref/link to another one from the same sorta source is available via my new index page which i am not sure is very practical at all as a whole). The file you mention (where did you stumble upon it?) is indeed the one that has 'suffered' the most redo's, make overs and E-laborations as you can see here for instance: /7yearsinthemaking.htm ----------- Actually it is not /7yearsinthemaking.htm that leads you to the redo's such as you encounter following the siglink to new and then old index page; I don't recall where I stuck the lot of them but one of the redo's is /rainbow_touchdown.htm anyways. check /index2.htm 'redo's of earliest intro's for 2 more such things; all they are is texts copied from the file you like with variations on the colour formatting. ------------ actually, i examine the first one that you gave me, and i found some very interesting articles. i may have been too hasty in calling the first page i sent you the MOST marvelous things i have seen. i do like what you have done and how you have presented it. i would like to be honest though. i have sent it to as many people as i can think of and they all think that it is too hard to see and follow. ------------ most common response so far -------------- I DO NOT AGREE.....but i just thought that you should hear some other input. personally...i think that it creates an air of disorganisation (which is the irony of it all..... ------------- certainly by fits and starts, not to mention against all odds; how's that for a metaphor of what life is up against in a world of grown ups; this is a world premiere just for you and your friends: osama hit the us in the foreskin and the ensuing orgasmic drip dropped all over afghanistan; the aim was good but the viability a little off; uncle sam is holding it off, back and in a little too long I fear. ------------- that you ORGANISED it this way) that makes the reader focus closely on what she/he is reading. i dunno. DONT CHANGE IT< just keep adding more attachments. good luck. -cass ---------------- (Martin Kammermeier) wrote: Hi poetpiet, this is the least clear site I ever happened to visit. -- Regards, Martin ------------ thank you or should i say danke? or Vielleicht sollte ich er so einrichten das man immer nur die vorgehende Seiten sieht wenn man meine besucht? ---------- ?????? Martin is an enviro - nomist ----------- aaah, as in photosynthesis rates and diversities? Have you tried a 'poetpiet hubley' search yet? Still looking into the old conundrum called seeyoutoo meterment and rate trade? Yesterday I was battling SE headwind on a road familiar since youth and I am either getting too old or it actually blows more hot air harder than it did. You probably know the trend of warming applies to Europe in particular and wether we are heading to a scenario such as projected (for 2025) in 'Friends of the earth' is no longer such a guess with Bush (=armament industries) at the helm ----------

Subject: link Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:27:52 -0000 From: To: Organization: Hi your link to our old page on your page is much appreciated. We have moved the site to and would be grateful if you could amend the page accordingly. I have to say your psychedelic page is unique and one of the most unusual I have seen on the web. with many thanks Robert With best wishes Robert Currey EQUINOX The Mill House, Santon, Isle of Man IM4 1EX, UK Suite 818, 465 NE 181st Ave, Portland, OR 97230, USA 56 The Corso, Manly, NSW 2095, Australia email: Tel: HQ (+44/0) 1624 827000 Tel/Fax & 24/7 Voice Mail: London: [0207) 900 1790 US Tel/Fax: 503 296 2069 Aus Tel/Fax: [02] 9475 0175 -------------------

NO SMALL THING When your first novel wins the Booker Prize, sells 6 million copies, and earns you a publicity trip around the world, what do you do next? Arundhati Roy, author of the 1997 novel "The God of Small Things," decided to switch from fiction to hard facts. In her newest book, "Power Politics," Roy takes on the development of dams in India, the importance of public dissent, and the difficulty of negotiating her dual identity as an author and an activist. Michelle Nijhuis reviews the results, only on the Grist Magazine website. only in Grist: A review of "Power Politics" -- in our Books Unbound section < 
"LCT" Hi! I noticed you while online and thought I would drop you a line, Hope you do not mind. Just thought you might be interesting and wanted to pursue this if you are interested. I have really good luck with relationships that I was aggressive in pursuing. So I Thought this might work and hopefully something comes of it. Are you in a situation where you might want some kind of relationship? If so Take a look at my profile I have made and I put a couple of candid shots along with some personal info on myself. Get back with me if you like what you see. Shelby P.S. The website is located at and look me up under shelbysebox   --------- what shall be shelby but I can't discover your Ebox let alone your weeweebox and waawaacrotch neber mind I mean let alone the rest of you; give me another clue; I got as far as being offered browsable lassies via but are you there? And do I want to become a member of clubs while I get hardly any responses on my huge website????????? Enlighten me o mysterious one ----------- shelby: Hi, How come you haven't answered my reply. Hang on, that's what I am doing rite now (first answer to your first reply rite?) Are you still interested or have you givin up. yeah interested but as I said a little wary and mystified from the efforts to get my hands on your handles (seem to have more than one dontcha?) I am still available or maybe you did not get my email. maybe you did not get my reply neither Did you look and got sick at what you saw, just kidding. Well if you want some interaction and possibly more lets try to hook up again. OK My handle is Shelby and you can see my pics and profile at I am not about to try all that again; just talk to me straight will ya? write me back either way and we can talkand maybe meet for a cup of coffee or a cocktail or two. Shelby you mean you are in amsterdam or close enough for such a thing? What I understood from your site(s) is that all advertizers are over states-side somewears. Well, you seems to manage to get back to and god, aint that a different email adress you got there? Come on be a little braver and rite me back. I hate carrying on a conversation with speeds from the middle ages; a gal I sat through a 4 hour documentary with says she is impressed with my wordings and all but can't manage to write more often than just once and not till after a fortnight; I will have to admit not being up to courtin' and all every nite neither but once a fortnight is too close to pre digital clipperdeeclop clip if you know what I mean. ---------

chat with a raw food friend (in reverse order for a change): Hi Piet, Maybe we are on different paths. I was looking toward a more-tropical high-altitude area.  I wish you good luck in your search for paradise.  Feel free to visit me here in Florida any time, -------- -Hi Piet, I am happy to hear your dad has recovered... As to your comments regarding the communal living... High altitude is perfect for my needs, I would have preferred more tropical, but the Swiss mountains have lots of pure air, as I hear... why do you say that that they are not suitable? -------  even poles are polluted and swiss mountains get it worse --------  Is the rainbow crowd you mention rawists? ------------ some are; rainbow may imply many things but the sense I use most stands for a spectrum of stuff. ------------ Have they been living there a while? How do they share expences, responsibilities, income? ------------ you may visit based in Bern to find out and direct your query straight to the proprietors. Most rainbow projects (again, the ones in my sense of the word have a volunteer donation base as bottom line but terms and task specific contracts are probably negotiable). ------------ Also, it would be nice to let me know of a time-frame you are planning on pursuing, as I would need to keep that in mind, so as to visit, meet, get to know, etc.. You are right about the Himalayas unfortunately... I feel sorry for the pure souls up there. Love & Light T ------------ Could you send something along with your mails which would give me some idea about your how, where, who with etc? ------------ you might start telling me what neprotivo stands for???? - - Let´s get this correspondence sped up a bit shall we? Things comin to a head, my dad is losing his slowly after an initally failed aorta patch operation though he recovered well enough to drive etc. He kept me from changing over to Swiss franc for instance before the euro hit which means I lost 20 percent of my reserves (his really, he allows me the use of the interest but impeded me from swapping these treasury bills for green investments years ago). I just may try join forces with a swiss rainbow crowd (they already have serious assets like over 200 acres of mountain land, altitude is tough for/on a raw food person no? And swiss mountain air isn´t the best either, then again you won´t find much better circumstances even in the Himalaya´s what with fanatic Muslims poisoning the ambiance) ------------ T <nepro-@ - removed under threat of legal action - wrote: Hi Piet, Happy Holidays & Happy New Year! I hope it is a great one for you! Where in Europe are you planning on setting up your paradise? What outlines do you plan on having, such as combined money purse, individualized incomes, etc, etc, what type of economy structure or none at all? I myself prefer the more indipendent, raw, preferably fruitarian, high-altitude location, ways away from civilized locations, so that pure air is present. I also would like to find a place of warmth. Florida does not meet most of the above and would not be my choice for settling this type of creation. What are your ides/suggestions? Love, T ------------ --- piet bouter < wrote: Well, grand, something stirs at the raw front (more than you would think with such a small contingent though it is growing). I am getting ready to start a scout-out / survey of existing communities and potentials in vicinities of most congenial ones (unless consolidation with one which will prove too hard to resist happpens). I am focussing on europe however and you are set to stay in Florida? Lemme know; I know the florida crowd was once outstanding; I was at my first great big rainbow gathering when experiencing my first sunfower sprout garden. It was planting by the florida crew.  -- - -  - neprot- wrote: November 1, 2001 (this is the first item in the series This is a response to your Living-Foods personal ad located at This message is being sent from: email: nepro- name : T(removed under threat of legal action) This person does not have your email address, they will only have it if you write him/her back. The message they wrote to you is below: ------------------ Hi piet bouter, I have fantasized about living in such a comunity as the one you described... have you gathered any volunteers yet, either way, I would like to be one of them. The idea of livinga simple, primate life attracts me very much. I would like to be able to build a house of eihter stone or straw and grow organic produce for myself and my future offspring. A like-minded community around me would be wonderful, wereby we can be helpful to each other. Please let me know what I can do to help gather people for such an initiation. I live in Florida. Hope to hear from you soon. T ------------ Lemme know how things are getting on; is Helen Story still doing her Hyg. Comm. coordination and news rag???? I have some issues from way back but none since and Don Weaver isn't keeping me up on stuff either; you can see some of his contributions at (about using crushed rock as a base for fertility/health/resistance/nutrition/etc; also in the forum and the book upon which this revival of these sorts of movements rests should be digitally available soon he promised). If you feel like you need a grip on me regarding raw food you could consult the following urls: cussing_joyce s_woike ...  period, even into a spate of veganistic raw food faddening but came back down to ... /list_posts/this_cussing_joyce_his_woike.htm - 58k ------------ allinone links by poetpiet ... no longer up) A recent thesis on Soil Remineralization by another raw food enthusiast: Philip Madeley  ---------- /allinone_links_blue.htm - 101k - ------------ - logbriefer for poetpiet's netperusals ---- there is some new reinforcement on the raw food front here in A'dam: Shamanismo Botanica; a weekly raw feast I ... - 79k - -------  Alternative Culture Directory ... -------- - 101k - -------
--- wrote: Hello, Thanks for requesting our Frequently Asked Questions by e-Mail. We hope the information below helps answer your questions or concerns. ----------- I go: look quit bullshitting, I did not request any such info; merely tried to call your bluff but your free membership does not include the privileges of a paying member (like replying to an ad) obviously (maybe it's time to specify that before you anger more vindictive people than myself; that would be a shame for all the effort you put in). 

letters to and fro the rosy bug: --- She goes: Hey ... sorry i lost contact. i've missed our talks. what did you major in in college and what exactly is your focus at indymedia? Didn't major in nuttin though I attended a treecrop conference at Cornell once with a lot of old time hickory, filbert and walnut enthusiasts. Went through a lot of colleges clandistinely (pretendin' to be a student; didn't have to pretend studiousness, I was that), usin' host acquaintances to check books out and get into comp labs; I've probably perused more home libraries than most people in the world on a hospitality basis during brief spells of wayfarin' and chore grappling companionship. Good times in a more tranquil US of A. What do I focus on at Indy? well, on each of my roughly 20 favorite subjects in turn I'd say. Tell me if you like the new way I dressed up my opening page (first link below) better than the old way (you get to it via that first page; it's the only link there). How's stuff goin' for ya. Keeping nicely embedded in social safety nets there in the NH place? I read NH college amherst had a very large turn out on somebody famous (forgot who . .chomsky, or Arundhati Roy or someone like that I guess), bet you were there. Love you buggy, bug me anytime you please alright? ---------- the reason i think i stopped tossing you emails is that in the past i've had problems with older men coming on to strong and this semester in school i had another experience with a photographer who was interested in a little more than fine art in his ideas as using me as a nude model. i'm sorry though it's strange i've never just met some one on line but it's not like we can hurt eachother, right? talk soon and have a happy holiday if i don't hear from you. crystal --- same to you crystallady ------- i'm sorry though it's strange i've never just met some one on line but it's not like we can hurt eachother, right? ------------ exactly, I am not about to come back to the states anytime soon and that has nothing to do with the recent EU decision not to extradite people the US wants to prosecute (just kiddin ;)talk soon and have a happy holiday if i don't hear from you. crystal ------   don't worry though I miss fuckin about like I did when I was young I have plenty to fill the gap (in my time) with; like, I maybe was nude with a girl 8-10 times in the last 3 years and that was the same one over a period of some months (she is now pregnant and punishes my unworshipful behaviour with near total exclusion; in other words, she does what I do but a whole lot better=worse!). It is a long story which I would send to you for a second opinion but I wrote it in Dutch. --------- Subject: synchronicity . . proximity to be? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:05:41 -0500 From: To:  I seem to the 'brui' (?quit) to it too about now and might perhaps start up from if a visit (standing and longtime invitation to their humongous site and action center in Bern (center of Europe) extended to all and sundry rainbow types), that means you too. See ya there? oh and about mammon; my trauma concerning it was cured by some 30's pamphlets available at my site + /guest_appearances (as you well know I suspect). ------- Subject: a few questions for you rosebutt (rosehip = rosebottel in dutch by theway Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:13:29 -0500 From: To: « Previous | Next » "crystal cobb" wrote: I was glad for your response. ------- that makes me glad in turn ------- I remember now that you questioned my response on your page and as of yet i have not ginen it a looksy but will most deffinitely after i toss this little hello your way. So Hey, I've just finished my seventh semester at college and wondering how am i ever going to get started on my own again. ------- College communities can be very addictive and fun plus utterly comfortable; the best thing about america for me were the college town (that's cause I'm such a library addict, even camped on the roof of the evergreen one for weeks!) As of now i'm in a desperate search for work and seriously contemplating telemarketing all i need flamboyantly you mean urgently???? is enough money to get my but yourpretty little fresh butt is but the stuff of dreams to me (as wild as they get since I have no reality to moor imagination on this count). ------- out to chicago and a few other cities disaknowledging my dept ------- out of ones depth is being in unfamiliar territory; or are you running from some bills or something (Linda, an american girl I knowed when I was 21 and in big trouble did that sort of thing with a rent bill). ------- with and need to get back out of my folks house. I'm concerned with living and feel that not much is going on on campus and at home or any other place i find my self lately. I like acting ------- you mean being active rather than acting on stage I take it? ------- and i want to make changes but life is so constant and structured i find no way out of it with ease at the moment but still i search... talk to you soon~ Crystal ------- My easy, smooth and fine tuned routine is coming to an end here this very day; no more easy fast and cheap access to digitalia for me next year; my kind of subscription is being phased out. I am ready for a new adventure; are you in chicago? so is jorn barger I believe, he has run a website for many years, one of the few I kept a close eye on (parts of it anyway, his log), he is complaining about being too deeply in the red (what's new, all of the UsA is) and wants a cheaper place to live. I sent him an email he should come live at the swiss rainbow farm (it's very big and they have a digital activist center downtown Bern also) since he is/was a rainbow of sorts too at some point; maybe you could join him and me there? Just a pipe dream purrhips? But a tantalizingly possible one I think. ------------- hi I'm not in chicago yet at the moment i'm looking for work to so i can earn enough to get out there. ----------- What is the attraction for you there? ----------- Taking my last sentence into consideration you can probably gather that i'm broke. I'd like to spend some time in Switzerland i like it there, but it wouldn't be till the summer that i could get out there if i start saving now. I'm not running from my dept although i as well have in the past dodged rent that way. My dept right now is with my father and for school not any bill. I'm hoping to earn about 300+ by the end of january and then i'll make my way out to chicago for a week or two depending. Are you going to switzerland now? your friend? ----------- yeah, it'll be soon now that I will start roaming around europe to find me a place for putting down roots; I figure I've done (if not overdone) the aerial ('areal'?), I mean the flaggin an wavin bit (my pomehage) is good enough to fend for itself a while (I am attaching a positive response below, a rare bird of your very ((in this respect)) lonely and lovely stripe), my account is discontinued along with all the other 'externals'; easy everything doesn't really have the required installed anymore (the let go of netscape in favor of the billygoats-tuff and cleared out of rotterdam altogether) and I could use a change of scenery. ----------- Hopefully i'll find a job tommorow, I like your new cover page but then again i liked the old one. take care Crystal I'll try caretaking ----  good luck on the jobsearch. Dear Piet, I hope this short letter finds you well, with lots of hope for a really great New Year, filled with good health and wonderful things! We've had our first snowfall of the season, uncommon for this time of year in New York. It looks so beautiful! Shimmering flakes that look almost like antique lace pieces sticking to the windows. I sat and picked out my favorite ones last night as the snow fell. They stuck to the window, some melting, and others lasting a long time. I had my dogs sitting with me, and a fire going. It finally felt like winter. Not that I'm at all that fond of winter, (I love the sunshine and like to be warm) but I do enjoy to see newly fallen snow animating the trees and everything around us. I've had a very difficult and trying Christmas season this year. My Grandmother, who's 91, has lived with me for the past three years since she's been struck with probably one of the most awful diseases. Alzheimers. ------------ I read in the paper that extasy (the pill called xtc) is good for it; the next week after that an article spoke about a dutchman extradited to the states so as to stand trial for his smuggling of 80.000 such pills (he traveled over stateside lots to attend house parties at which such things seem to be required in order to withstand the onslaught of diabolically mind deadening 'music'. He is to get something like a life sentence whereas such an offense would book you only a couple of years under dutch law). This occurence is why our most famous comedian (recently maligned by an immigrant descended dutch journalist) cracked a joke about dutch people sent to Texan gaschambers. ------------ The last week in October she had her first stroke, with the second to follow soon after that. December 4th a blockage in her leg caused the DR's to amputate from the above the knee. She spent three weeks in hospital which was dreadful. I refuse to place her in a nursing facility, as I truly feel she'd go there to die. ------------ my mother is being dragged into a housing development now by my father!!!!! Gone her views and birds, etc. It's criminal, this is not what I wished him to survive his operation for (said that already didn't I?) ------------ The care I can give her at home is far better than a nursing home. I've been given what's called a Hoyer Lift. It's a piece of machinery that lifts her out of bed and then I can move her from place to place instead of leaving her in one position and in bed all day. She's holding her own, not eating much but she's certainly doing much better now that she's out of the hospital and home with me. I've become a nurse overnight! It's not easy, but it's something I have to do for the time being. Enough of that! I was just thinking about you the other day, wondering if you've made it to Switzerland yet, or not? ------------ no, just about ready to go in a few weeks though; I will let you know. I don't have easy, fast and cheap access anymore so some letters may be slow to receive responses. Keep in touch though will ya? Wish you strenght and patience with your gramma and family and the loads of americans who have taken turns for the worse since they were forcefully confronted with a response to their more insidious as well as equally blatantly forms. ------------ Did you spend Christmas with your family? I hope wherever you were, you found peace within yourself and were happy. When you have some time, and feel like it, let me know how you're doing and where you are. I wish you well, Piet. Take care of yourself. --------- gap ----------- wrote: pensievepiet: hi pensievepiet: hullo!!! pensievepiet: sleep well pensievepiet signed off at 6:26:26 AM. Hi Piet, I was sound asleep on the couch when you sent that, or I would have answered you. I hope you're well. Whatever happened with Simone? Things better, I hope? I'm late, (which seems to be the story of my life lately) and have to run. Talk with you soon maybe. Stay well! : ) PS Let me know when you're leaving for Switzerland. -------------------- I didn't realize you could get that later still. Not that I would take my hello back or anything. I just 'waved' to tell you I am into my first Kingsolver book, don't find her as smooth, suspenseful, mysterious, 'close' and intriguing as LErdrich but she has moments of brilliance (as well as weakness). I went into a native american chat yesterday but as you might know people there don't ever seem to read much if anything; they turn their narrow repertoire of staple phrases over and over. Proof has come that my folks sold their house for peanuts but I did not wanna meddle at the time since they already were fightin wif me sister about it. Yet they keep naggin I should get me a home instead of my squat bicycle shed. I finished "the crown of columbus" by LErdrich and erstwhile hubby (suicide) which reminded me sooooo much and many times of Simone and me that I went to bring her the book, rang the bell cause I couldn't fit it into letter box but before she had said hello I found I could when opening it up first, all I said was 'present' and went. Been a week. No reaction. The gift should make up for the last letter I ended with 'criminal!!!' (reaction to her denial she had promised me anything before I ran the risk of her getting pregnant). Once again almost bought a car. I should write those folks in swizzieland and see what's up; haven't gotten any sign of life out of 'm last few times I tried. --------


About the LBO archive to Kelley (one of the few creative and female list members):  Up and gone, hopefully not down and out. Have you time to respond? I am particularly interested in posts such as the one below from pen-l There weren't a whole lot of those on lbo but I still think it is the best list I know. Should I just sub to the digest?   ------ xxxxx ------Re: Re: euro and ECB by Romain Kroes 18 December 2001 11:00 UTC < < < Thread Index Some comments on Chris Burford's text that raises, as it seems to me, the most important theoretical controversy of the moment. That is the final decision between a Leninist or a Luxemburgist view of the current world. Or in other words, as Chris writes in its conlusion, the need of a " social consciousness of the processes occurring under our very eyes". It is firstly necessary to recall some monetary events that marxism has been neglecting for a to long time. According to the Treaty of Bretton Woods, convertible currencies were linked to the dollar, and the very gold parity was entirely born by this latter. But this clause was contingent of an expected positive US balance of trade. As it turned out, however, this balance was systematically negative. So that the clause of gold parity of dollar could work only if USA's allied did not demand a payment in gold from them. That is to say European countries, in addition to the regular payment of their debt to the USA, accepted that this country do not pay the whole of its importation and of its expenditure outside. But their governments were therefore facing some social frustrations, in the context of the existence of powerful European communist parties. So that they were separated in two categories. On one hand, the softliner category did not want to upset the great Ally by demanding gold balances, but its central banks sold their dollar balances to commercial banks, against other currencies or gold. This was the origin of eurodollar market. Additionally, these governments periodically resorted to devaluation. On the other hand, the hardliner category, driven by general de Gaulle, demanded the pure and simple application of Bretton Woods. Both behaviours leaded to the dollar crisis of early sixties. Economy of the USA, moreover engaged in Viet-Nam war, could not bear such a tension tending to reduce its purchasing power outside. It escaped it in 1971, by abolishing any kind of convertibility constraints for the dollar, though this currency remained the international one. By behaving so, were the USA dishonest? First, there was absolutely no obligation for Europe to accept that. USA never exerted any unbearable pressure. When de Gaulle demanded the departure of US military forces from France and gold from the Fed, there was sort of family quarrel, but US soldiers left, and gold went across Atlantic, from Fort Knox to Banque de France. When inversely, in 1973, Mr. Giscard d'Estaing reverted de Gaulle's monetary politics, he was absolutely not obliged to do it. France could contract another monetary pact with numerous gold-or-SDR-supporter countries that at this time were likelyy to conclude. It even did not try. Second, Chris is right: while resisting US policy, France and other European countries were benefitting from uneven exchange. They had a positive balance with respect to the USA, but a negative one with respect to other parts of the world. And so, we could gradually build a hierarchical pyramid in which the resulting value flow, polarized like electrons by the structural signs of trade balances, goes from the bottom to the top, and not, as people usually think, from the top to the bottom. Such a hierarchy can be observed through the known history since the very ancient ages. Athens's balance of trade was systematically negative. Rome's one too. So was 16th-century Europe's one, and permanently United Kingdom's. The USA have simply got the joker of every metropolis of a World System: to trade only in its own currency, in order to escape payment troubles by paying debt with debt. Until today, only Athens had been succeeding in doing that. Now, what is most astonishing is the fact that US establishment did not plan to get it. American people have always believed in gold value of dollar (remember Kennedy's campaign promising to maintain 35$ an ounce, despite dollar crisis) and have been driven to today's situation, under the influence of an incidental logic. Reciprocally, governments of positive-balance countries, although these latter are impoverishing at maintaining such a balance (Argentina for current example), don't see it as an evil, on the contrary. Last but not least, although the USA are evidently benefitting of their negative balance of trade, without any concern for dollar, there are numerous American people who worry about it, not by spirit of justice, but by simple wariness. And here is the point where we have to mull over Rosa Luxemburg's theorem, according to which accumulation needs and means expansionism towards economies still not integrated to the financial markets of the imperialist power. In such a process, the accumulated value corresponds to a debt never paid: the structural déficit of empire's trade. Accumulation needs and means expansionism, and expansionism needs and means a negative balance of trade. Reciprocally, only the centers of accumulation can afford long-period-negative balance of trade. Now, the question is: why expansionism? Romain K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Burford To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: [PEN-L:20682] Re: La BCE et l'euro, euro and ECB At 16/12/01 17:18 +0100, you wrote: A GDP-weighted basket of these eleven currencies however shows that euro, although it was created in 1999, has been sliding with respect to dollar since 1971, at the mean yearly rate of 6%. The curve is in news page of irép's web site. Additionally, ECB shows that it has not mulled over any lesson from Argentina's tragic example. News of worsening crisis are on irép's web site. If this is so, not only the price of western european money but its relative value in the world must have been dropping against the dollar over 30 years. (I am trying to use the word 'value' in a marxist sense.) This may have been disguised by the increase in productivity, and therefore use-values. Also by the uneven exchange on a world scale, from which Europe has benefited. Both these factors would have allowed an absolute rise in the use values available to the citizens of western Europe while the relative exchange value of their currencies was declining against the dollar. So far western Europe has only experienced some frustration at US political and military domination of the world. It is interesting that one of the few outcomes of the European Union summit this weekend is to announce that the European Union Rapid Reaction Force is now available for minor operations. This is the start of Europe thinking it must be able to flex its muscles militarily. I do not predict inevitable war between the two imperialist blocs, as if the world was as Lenin described in 1916. However the economic argument that IREP advances here, suggests that western Europe may have a (partly) progressive role in arguing for a world economic system in which there is a regular transfer of exchange wealth from the most developed areas to the less developed, to combat the inevitable uneven accumulation of capital in a global market. In the course of this, Europe would benefit from a world economic order in which its currencies did not exchange with the dollar but with a true world money, issued by the international monetary fund. Meanwhile Bill Clinton is stumping the lecture trail calling for a safer world "for our children" in which wealth is shared. "The Struggle For The Soul of The 21st Century", "Dimbleby Lecture", in which he deliberately quotes Keynes early on. It is therefore interesting that today in Washington, Gordon Brown, who is an expert on finance capital, will again call for a global Marshall Aid fund of $50 billion (trivial sum) to "halve world poverty" by 2015. The debate is moving on from patronising periodic debt forgiveness, to looking at how wealth can be transferred in a global market, systematically. Something George Soros also called for. In the course of it Europe could benefit. That is why Gordon Brown can afford to act generously with America's wealth, although he is chairman of the International Monetary & Financial Committee of the IMF. The human control of the global economy and the destruction of commodity fetishism, is also a progressive goal. It needs class struggle, but it also needs social consciousness of the processes occurring under our very eyes. We can stay on the sidelines criticising the opportunists and the servants of capital like Brown or Clinton whenever they come up with an idea, or we can see which way the tide is flowing anyway, and give a stronger call to the re-emerging global movement against the domination of capital. Chris Burford London <br </body </html -------------a few weeks later:  Have you time to respond? now i do! :) ---- I am particularly interested in posts such as the one below from pen-l There weren't a whole lot of those on lbo but I still think it is the best list I know. Should I just sub to the digest? ------------------- i think that the archives were down because they fellah who keeps them had to move. after that, he had hard drive problems. marco angelesi is his name, i believe. i don't know if they're back on line--when i do a search to find something, they're done. but perhaps marco changed the name of the server they're on. he did that once when someone reported doug for a copyright violation. ---------------------- interesting; here in Holland I had occasion to mail with a city council department in Amsterdam (has about 10 or 15 of these neighbourhood halls), this particular one has the famous Vondel park in it) about the pruning practises in the park and guess what, oh horror, I get a reply (very prompt since they suspected me of being involved with sabotage whereas all I did was yell at the pruner way up in a tree) with a standard disclaimer attached. It requires the receiver to not divulge any of the replies from this public bureaucracy!!!!!! Once public no longer means public it is time to emigrate; I am considering Switserland and Ireland. ------------ btw, i think your site is nifty. i like most! i found it once, doing a search for something in the archives, but i got a link to your site, too! kelley ---------  punish to prosper (forward from Nature by Kelly at LBO): Cooperation can flourish if the public-spirited majority can punish freeloaders, say Swiss economists. People will pay to punish - suggesting that their notions of fairness outweigh selfish considerations. The work may help explain why people cooperate in society. In an investment game with shared profits, players punish those who do not contribute to the group's good, despite the personal cost. The emotional satisfaction of dispensing justice seems to spur them on: "People say, 'I like to punish'," says Ernst Fehr of the University of Zurich. The fear of being fined keeps potential defectors in line, and the power to punish gives willing cooperators a sense of security. These dynamics may explain why early humans banded together into cooperative groups for hunting or warfare. Explanations of cooperation have tended to focus on what the altruist gets out of it, either through the swapping of good turns or the benefits to family members. "For a very long time in economics and biology there's been an assumption of self-interest," says economist Herbert Gintis of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Instead, he says, it seems that egalitarianism is "a basic part of human behaviour". The research may hold lessons for policymakers attempting to build social cohesion, he believes. Decisions may be more acceptable if they come from within the community and not from a remote central government. "There could be more community-based policing, and more emphasis on shaming [criminals] and rehabilitation within the community," Gintis says. Pay or be punished Fehr and his colleague Simon Gachter, of the University of St Gallen, devised an economic game where four anonymous participants had to decide how much to invest in a common pot. Returns were balanced so that the 'rational' strategy was to invest nothing and reap the benefits of other's contributions. But by investing a lot, the whole group could gain. Egalitarianism seems to be a basic part of human behaviour Herbert Gintis, University of Massachusetts The amount invested by the players was revealed after each round. In some games, players could then fine each other, but they had to pay a small sum for this. The make-up of the group changed with each round, preventing players from learning whether they could trust one another. When penalties were allowed, the common good prevailed, and the investment by each group member climbed.1 "But if there's no opportunity for punishment, cooperation unravels," says Fehr, with investment declining rapidly. Union power Cohesion-through-punishment is an influential force in contemporary western society. In industrial disputes, for example, the hatred heaped on strike-breakers cements solidarity, says Fehr. If there's no opportunity for punishment, cooperation unravels Ernst Fehr, University of Zurich Conversely, the waning of support for state welfare programmes among the US middle class over the past few decades was caused by a perception that too many freeloaders were exploiting the system without fear of detection or punishment, says Gintis. Gintis acknowledges the potential pitfalls of using local action to stamp out social scrounging: it might fragment communities into opposing factions, or breed resentment of nonconformists. There are also problems if fear of punishment cultivates antisocial aims, Fehr points out. "You see it in the Mafia," he says, where the threat of reprisal maintains a code of silence. References Fehr, E & Gachter, S. Altruistic punishment in humans. Nature, 415, 137 - 140, (2002).--------------- there are a handful of responses. Here is the first: i'm sure that's how the private prison industry looks at it. ----------- and here comes Kelley again: And when someone says, here recently, that we need to put capitalists' heads on pikes and in baskets you don't think that this process of punishing those who are, we think, objectively deserving of such a fate doesn't perform the same functions? What about the criticisms and normative punishment (shunning) of views that are sexist? Racist? Etc.? Were someone here to start spewing such views, do you think they wouldn't be punished--shunned, criticized? Who would object, besides the most libertarian anything-goes-members of this list --who themselves would be criticizing and attempting to shame the rest of us for not adhering to the ideal of freedom in discourse? You see, we all do it. I do it. You have just done it by denouncing the views you think are implicit in the paper--because you don't like its language, because you think they are conservative. Etc. Although not well-developed in this article, I imagine that the ideas Herb Gintis (of Bowles and Gintis fame) and others are working with have to do with a sociological claim: communal solidarity requires rituals in which the community punishes people who break the rules, violate norms, etc. The argument among some is that the process is inevitable. You see it happens here on this list when someone violates the norms of participating on a left list. For instance, were someone to jump in and start castigating everyone for their leftist views, clearly indicating that they were hostile to them, many of us would have a grand ole time ripping the arguments of that person apart. (Recent example: Paul, a new member of this list, and his exchanges with Carrol, JAnnuzzi, and ??). We argue all the time, among ourselves. It seems like we agree on very little. But, when someone from "outside" criticizes us, the ritual of argument makes explicit what is often implicit about what binds the left together, in all its diversity. It also demands that we make those shared assumptions about "what is left" explicit. In this way, we question those assumptions. We ask ourselves and each other: "is this really left? Should this be the left? Why? Who does it benefit? Who does it hurt?" Etc. The process--ritual--builds social cohesion among a group. Take it too far, and it is punitively exclusionary. But all groups exclude. That's unavoidable. To say, I am an anarchist is to always implicitly say that someone else is not. The process is inevitable. The point is to build into our interactions ways in which we can proceed judiciously, equitably, etc. Furthermore, the argument is that all societies need "deviants", rebels, dissenters, etc. Societies cannot function without them. Examples of ethnographies that show how this process works are found in the work of Kai Ericson ---------------- My reply: Funny I should be thinking of this very subject too since it was made known that 99% of robberies downtown rotterdam (right near the fancy public library and most flashy glass-n-metal modulated subway entrance) are perped by marrocan youths. I have been going to this library cause for once I have access to unrestricted volume on a cd player and I am blasting some favorites; the latest: Maura O'connell does a song by Malcolm Holcombe which completely blows me away and I mean COMPLETELY DEVASTATES MYSTIFIES AND SOULSEARCHES ME. ----------------- well, now i have to go get this CD and hear for myself! do i dare splurge!? I could send you it on casette if you like. --------- do you have enough time in a library to read lbo, make your web page, and the like? ------------ opening hours for the 50$ a year(!) access to the UvA T1 terminals were taken advantage of most fully by myself over the last. ... well, 10 years really but that has come to an impass (discontinued 'external' subs) and all that's left is the 'easy everyting' commercial 24 clock roundin' opening hours (I have strewn blurbs about them recently; the rotterdam operation has folded completely; the amsterdam one has been cut in half). I now don't fiddle with the page no more. I have a block about combustion engines or else I would take up travelling again (after the 10 year break) to once again try find soil to take root in; my native polderland is too windy though fat subsidy to the tune of over 90% are available for 'landscape enhancement (parklikelyhooding?), but augmentation from scratch is windy business and I haven't got the patience to deal with bureaucracies. ------------ when i used the library for internet access, there was only an hour per visit and if lots of others were waiting, then you might have less time. ----------- This is now not only the semi-sad (since it is free) situation in Amsterdam but Rotterdam now has very few terminals with and they are commercial on top of that; as most other Dutch library outlets are (1$ per half hour). ----------------- Anyway, to come back to the punitive imperatives I was on about, I think a threat to cut the balls off of those who get caught for the slightest robbery, starting soon (like internetspeed soon) might stop me from a strong urge to emigrate cause the waffling of the christian middle and the right in this country is getting on my nerves too much although they all seem to finally agree on a rule and language acquisition to earn your right to be here (that is about 8000 year late as it is). ------------------- well, i'm not advocating punishment like that! i am not even advocating punishment at all. i was just elaborating the point of view of the sociologists who've advanced the claim that one of the ways solidarity is achieved is via the boundaries around a community and the ritual sanctioning of those who violate the norms. i happen to agree that there is no such thing as a world where no one will be punished--shunned, ignored, criticized, marginalized--if they break the norms that typify membership in a group. i don't think there can be. do i think there should be capital punishment, castration, imprisonment for more than 6 months? no. kelley ------------------ perhaps you live were few punishable acts are committed but if half of your family was afraid to go out, even to the most public places for some or most of the time, and if you knew that most trouble was caused by repeat offenders who laugh off and sabotage all soft approaches you too might come to the conclusion that barbarism calls for the only language they understand. Personally I would simply send 'm off to their roots that can't even be really considered a punishment by anybody. I don't really manage to peek at more than a tiny percentage of LBO contributions. -------- this is one of about 10 different articles by Israel Shamir in this 201K file (which I think is a good one to end my homepage building efforts with to go out with a bang so to speak) ---------------- The real target of the British-American offensive is Europe, too prosperous and egalitarian for the Empire of Greed. -------------- a blurb in Swedish about Maura O'Connel and some .rm sample sounds off the album I was on about (which you can get excerpts from elsewhere also: which plays real audio also) And somewhat sad but true to know there's belonging in just longing for someone My shoulders rests a road I only follow love only borrowedOch kan O'Connell leda några av er till Holcombes platta har hon gjort en stor insats. Men "Walls & Windows" har också ett alldeles eget värde. Och det är definitivt hennes bästa platta hittills. (7/10) Lennart Persson 6 december 2001  Divide&Conquer/6.html  - - - this lady sings that song also  ----- "Far Cry from Here" Written by Malcolm Holcombe I've heard misfortune loses And wasted ways before me by the car, Given someone time enough to spending Love on the borrow. I've placed myself at ease, Listening to the lies of self belief, Wanting something close enough to keeping A far cry from here. CHORUS But I believe in ways of these, . . .???? don't make sense does it? (see below) . . Speaking of the deer who has been spared. Innocence so near, A far cry from here. Even still the night is passing; Behind the heart an emptiness still falls. The distance stands the swallows, hard for loving me Love on the borrow. Repeat CHORUS Some are said a true known There's been longing in just long before someone; My shoulder rest a road I only follow, Love on the borrow. Repeat CHORUS A far cry from here, A far cry from here ----- doubt it will beat ready red Maura though. Her latest album 'Walls and windows' features A far cry and is a lot better than her earlier albums; she got quite a bit fatter since then too. ------------------- thank you! i will respond more this weekend, when I have quiet time. things at my company have been hectic! thank for these lyrics. i'm intrigued.  kelley -- CHORUS But I believe in ways of these, Speaking of the deer who has been spared. Innocence so near, A far cry from here.  --- I think that should be ..ways and means to speak another dear who has been spared.

------------ CRUDE PAGE OF THE DAY What is green, slimy, and smells like pork? Kermit the Frog's finger. Kermit like you've never seen him before: <A HREF="" AOL users click here </A ____ CONFUCIUS SAY  ------ Confucius say : Man who wants pretty nurse, must be patient. Confucius say : He who lives in glass house, dress in basement. ------  Confucius say : Passionate kiss, like spider web, lead to undoing of fly.  ------ Confucius say : Better to be pissed off than pissed on. Confucius say : He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. ------ Confucius say : Boy who go to sleep with stiff problem wake up with solution in hand.  ------ Confucius say : Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day long.  ------ Confucius say : Couple on 7-day honeymoon make hole weak.  ------ Confucius say : Girl who sits on jockeys lap get hot tip. Confucius say : Girl who sits on Judge's lap gets honorable discharge. Confucius say : Lady who goes camping must beware of evil intent. Confucius say : Squirrel who runs up woman's leg not find nuts.  ------ Confucius say : He who runs behind bus get exhausted. Confucius say : Man who leaps off cliff jump to conclusion.  ------ Confucius say : Man with tight trousers is pressing his luck.  ------ Confucius say : He who fishes in others' holes often catches crabs. Confucius say : Man who puts dick in Peanut Butter jar is F**king Nuts. ___ A couple of Oklahoma hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls 911. He gasps to the operator, "My friend is dead! What can I do?" The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy. I can help. First, lets make sure he's dead." ....There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says, "OK, now what?" ______ Q: What's the difference between a blonde and a mosquito? A: A mosquito will quit sucking when you smack it! ________

-- wrote: Dear Piet, I hope you are well, dear friend. Much time has passed! I am looking for a way to contact Prince Alfred von Lichtenstein (Institute for Future Studies) and you came up in the search engine...can you help me? Warm wishes, Joanna Joanna Campe Remineralize the Earth Towards a Sustainable Agriculture, Forestry and Climate 152 South Street Northampton, MA 01060-4021 413-586-4429 Fax: 413-586-6064 Email: Visit the ReminForum at What little I could find quick is this: President, Wiener Akademie für Zukunftsfragen (Vienna Academy for Future Studies). contained in: GLOBAL VISION : SCIENCE & THE SACRED : PEOPLE ... HRH PRINCE ALFRED VON LICHTENSTEIN President, Wiener Akademie für Zukunftsfragen (Vienna Academy for Future Studies). ... - 13k - Cached - Similar pages to get an idea of what they stand for (+ a contact in London): The URL of this page is: Updated March 12, 2001 For more information contact Michael O'Callaghan at long list of affiliateaze: ----- Is this tha same fella? Probably not. ---  Gedichte von Alfred Lichtenstein - [ Translate this page ] Gedichte von Alfred Lichtenstein. alphabetisch nach Titeln sortiert. Ärgerliches Mädchen Abend ... - 8k  ---- Alfred Lichtenstein - [ Translate this page ] ... Wagen, von dem das Geschrei ausgehe. Lichtenstein hat auch eine Anzahl Prosastücke ... lustig macht - ganz in der Art von Alfred Jarry. Er selbst ist der ... - 24k - --- Ps: I have plans to visit Switserland (have had them for almost a year now and still didn't get out there but the typ of account I get cheap and fast University access with/under is going to be discontinued and so I will have lots of time on my hands next year. -- ----------------------------

There is a great new resource at imc called alternatives  which I have provided with an inital commentary (about a bathwaterbearing baby in the shape of the word hyrarchy): Support for a pleasing page (1Mb from the 30's) By Now we are talking.  Resouces (especially on all manner of monies and earthier currents). P(re)s: Qualify but don't do away with or discard (any stages of) hyrarchy. Unpailoadadly Ballistic aphorism: Life is not a stage rage of bridgeburnin rockytree. +  ----- A first quick comment on these my tea pleasing pages (the need of which I pleaded for over half a year ago); ----- aint no such thing as higher and/or lower archies? All we are is equal archies? Come on, where's your sense of realism? I think and feel activity and focus should be at and on smoothing transitions for the relatively more sensitive and delicate but that may imply and tie in with, thus be compensated by and compensate for a shock to the more hardy systems No? Take the lava outflow around the equator for instance (anybody got any quantity figures for me? *); it is a rare but compelling event and on the scale/time carousel of rock plant animal human (last shall feed the first to the second or short such kin-ciclin feasabilities in order to feel on and at the top) and it too has it's finest/confinement hour and gets to dominate for a spell. Wavearchy maybe? Either way, by now you will have gotten my drift, my difficulties to do with doing away with terms like hyrarchy altogether, without however, denying the need to clean them up a bit (a little more embeddiment please; involve the furtherst known reaches of scale without distilling a desire to conquer/invade them). * This outflow seems to confirm the Hamaker thesis (search my site) that seasonal iceload pressure flux on the poles translates all the way to equatorial regions via the liquid crystal-like 'gunk' and confirms a pressure increase if anything. by Ray saphunchline pionear you who has 30 Megs of meticulously tinted text for you at lots of relevant rants on dust specks realm coins and currencies coursing between and through stages of ages.
Find their basic primer with all the hype(r)s left in (but the tints tweaked) here (70K) and a more densely formated print crime milderizing version here (55K)

Hans-Joachim Lenger  Die Familie schlachten (Freudian) Vortrag zu den 1. Memminger Gesprächen – 20.10.2001

Contents in last issue:
(dec.htm (106K) 'sacred geometry architecture' links and finally, a sign of life from Dan Winter again ------- Nietzsche, Kant and Jews ----- a good fourth of this file is taken up by LBO-talk items (the whole list has gone traceless for the past week!!!!!! I posted a query at Indy  /front.php3?article_id=  107513&group=webcast, hopefully someone will respond for a change) ------ Joyce ----- Caillois ----- Louise Erdrich ---- last third of this file is a discussion at nettime about open source inspired by a 141J article at firstmonday called: Code, culture and cash, the fast fading altruism for open source development
 fill 'm in, up n out (just don't write anything I would not approve of)
Accumulating, simultaneously and apace with this file is: Indymediasamples.htm  --- My recent (non-violent, yet all the more forceful) picks and posts from the (still one and same welcome extended to all comers, undispersedly non-differentiatingly central) indymedia news and opinion site (up to over 50.000 items around now) also get archived in the /2001/  subdir once they reach 70 - 100K.  --- 
Punpinpiet the Compos(-i-t-)er's invites you to Direct responses, challenges, complaints and -i- and -yments or whatever t'wards: --------------------
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