300540+5  Free America after Iraq (english) sparky 11:30am Fri Mar 21 '03 Jews distroyed Euorpe, the Middle East & now America ----a handful of nonsense comments (and mine) to a pretty comprehensive collation from Corrie's case: I go:  hey hold up hotheads!!!!! piet 2:19pm Fri Mar 21 '03 comment#300700 don't burn yar fuses; those without sin cast a stone first and all that good counsel. go see items 300115 and 300563; killers should be brought to justice as well as those who don't raise their kids right (wide open field there). calling zionist jews the worst is like saying all bureacratically inclined and/or employed americans are little eichmans and sure, some truth to it but who is too draw the line? Lines that are all too often too sharp and too contested. The goal and aim should be to create free spaces, no-man's but all beings land, allow the border to get fuzzy diffuse, too hard to make out, gradual; shift the polarizing and confrontational stuff to the sub- and presentient plane; bash rock against rock and allow fresh muds and all that springs from them to overrun deserts; takes a little thinking and a lot of retooling; let's hear about that!! We can all share it. Do you think jews would sabotage this cause they prefer deserts????? The part of the bible that charms and for which the warstories and bloodshed is taken into the bargain is the gardens and greeneries. Their out of reachness and commemoration is what the book would tie one over with a shot of hope( )less/minus melancholy. But culture, no matter how wondrous the architectures and sacred the geometries of all that's left standing in the desert (lots less and less of that by the 2 minutes now) can't substitute for real trees any better than other sorry surrogates. Time for all this will come as surely as it came for Corrie and will come for you and me. -

301818 Rachel Corrie - The Peace Activist Run Over By An Israeli Army Bullodozer The Observer (England) 1:30am Sun Mar 23 '03   -------------53255 dc israel ----------  301324 link to israel indy item (+9) on Corrie -

300563 nationalvanguard (nonsense) article Rachel Corrie "flag burner" photo a fake --I go:not widely enough known it seems (english) piet 1:53pm Fri Mar 21 dc 57617Her parents: Rachel would not want her death to overshadow that of others. In barely glancing at headlines since word came of Rachel's death, I note that many have died this week in the Occupied Territories,  one a four-year-old child. I would like to be able to hold the mother of that child and to have her hold me. some one else added an article by Jeff Halper, who is the Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD). alternativenews.org :: where I find this disturbing article:Rachel Corrie, Nuha Sweidan and Israeli war crimes Monday, March 17th, 2003 Steve Niva The Israeli bulldozer that ran over and killed American peace activist Rachel Corrie, 23, in the Gaza Strip today had killed before. A few weeks ago, on March 3, an Israeli bulldozer killed a nine-month pregnant Palestinian woman, Nuha Sweidan, while destroying the house next door in a dilapidated Gaza refugee camp. Palestinian witnesses said that Mrs. Sweidan, 33, bled to death under the rubble as she cradled her 18-month-old daughter. Her unborn baby also died. Rachel Corrie and Nuha Sweidan probably never met, but they will forever be linked as victims of Israel's 35-year occupation of Palestinian lands in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. www2.alternativenews.org/display.php?id=2825  Another few excerpts from it:This past month, Israel nearly set a record for killing Palestinians, mostly civilians, in a single month. Menachem Klein, an Israeli political scientist at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, outlined the logic of Sharon's actions in a recent Christian Science Monitor article (13 Mar 2003). "These raids can be a kind of rehearsal, with the idea to arrest someone, but also to see how to get in and out, what tactics to use. A rehearsal on live people. And the thinking is that if the world gets used to these short-term reoccupations, it will digest the long-term one." Rachel Corrie, Nuha Sweidan, over a hundred Palestinians and scores of Israeli civilians are the victims of this live rehearsal. It is true that Palestinian suicide bombers have helped contribute to this cycle of violence through their own vicious acts. Indeed they have murdered women, children and innocent civilians as well. However, this is not a symmetrical conflict. Israel dominates the lives and land of over 3 million Palestinians through massive military assaults, imprisonment of thousands, torture and systematic starvation policies that have lead to a major humanitarian crisis in many areas of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In fact, Rachel had been working with other members of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) to defend a newly dug water well from Israeli attempts to destroy it before she was killed. Moreover, since his return to power two years ago, Ariel Sharon has systematically escalated Israeli military assaults and assassinations in search of a military solution, despite the waves of suicide bombings, in order to achieve a very clear set of political objectives. At the top of the list has been the destruction of any base of Palestinian political and military resistance to Israeli settlements and permanent control of the land Israel occupied in 1967. Gaza is his last objective. There is no "balance" in this conflict. It is time to call Israel into account for its war crimes and time to stop Ariel Sharon from imposing his violent dream of Greater Israel on Palestinians. It is time to stop the needless deaths of Rachel Corrie, Nuha Sweidan and others, whether Palestinian or Israeli, or now, American. *Steve Niva is a Member of the Faculty, The Evergreen State College. He teaches international politics and Middle East studies. He met with Rachel Corrie before she left for Gaza in January and is deeply saddened by her tragic and unnecessary death. ---------- if you don't wanna go see the compilation (english) piet 2:00pm Fri Mar 21 '03 comment#300687 I will tell you one related (and) salient aspect pointed to there here (too), namely that indy portland seems to have destroyed 7 posts of this picture, probably due to judged too inflammatory comments; and the sf editors seem to cut stuff up a little too liberally too judging by/from another of today's items I have yet to read. I don't go to sf much since I hate white backgrounds. Kudo's to the speed improvements here by the way, it was badly needed; I wasn't able to reach here except early mornings from europe for what seems like weeks.  - ----------------- 

301814 Rachel Corrie ---- Making of a martyr Sandra Jordan reports from Rafah on the death of American activist Rachel Corrie, crushed by an Israeli bulldozer as she battled to prevent destruction at a refugee camp -- Sunday March 23, 2003 The Observer ------- same here: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1588804.php where some comments are expected (ps: none yet on the 27th) seeing that another sf item on Rachel led the highest amount of becommented item score on last friday (surpassed by about four others since); this gets you to all the comments so far (over 400): 1583823_comment.php#1589243 (387K so far) ---

59426 dcAngel's eulogy 

a blogger Nathan Newman and his commenters --- posted at 59432 dc plenny of comments there and I trust they'll be less nauseatingly bent on trying to conjure a nazilike attitude to victimize next than here so far. 303234 main is only slightly more civilized than this item -- ps: the bull driver dozed over a pregnant woman not long ago. ---------- 

?????? dc Rachel Corrie was an agent of Yasser Arafat  by Dennis Prager (also posted at 304431 Rachel +4) --- I go (as 4th commnenter):  purim (vengeance) for Corrie by piet 10:30am Wed Mar 26 '03 THE HOFFMAN WIRE Monday, March 17, 2003 Eve of Purim - Eve of War The Purim Regime Was the President's announcement of the end of diplomacy and the imminent commencement of the bombing of Iraqi cities timed to coincide with the Babylonian-Judaic Festival of Purim? Copyright (c) 2003 by Michael A. Hoffman II The Pentagon's share in "Israel's war against Babylon" (as the Wall Street Journal is terming it; cf. "Babylon Revisited," March 14, p. W13), is about to commence, and on March 17, President Bush made a declaration of imminent war. His announcement occurred on the Eve of Purim, the Judaic festival of revenge. Purim finds its masonic equivalent in the Ninth Degree of the Scottish Rite, dedicated to revenge for the "murder of Hiram" -- meaning anyone who thwarts Masonry's purposes. Tuesday and Wednesday, are Purim and Shushan Purim respectively, Adar II 14 and Adar II 15. The Book of Esther, which contains the basic story (though not the lengthy Talmudic and Kabbalistic embellishments), was labeled canonical and placed in the Old Testament as a result of rabbinic manipulation of the Church. In fact, the story's two main characters, Esther and Mordechai, are thinly veiled personifications of the Babylonian deities Ishtar and Marduk. When Julius Streicher ascended the Nuremberg gallows after his show trial for the "war crime" of writing disgusting things about Jewish people, he announced that his execution constituted "Purim 1946." Streicher's sympathizers regarded this statement as an eloquent riposte, but Kabbalists were pleased when they learned of it, and it is quoted with satisfaction in rabbinic literature to this day. The reason for this is that the Kabbalistic secret of Purim rests in the rabbinic command incumbent on Judaic males worldwide: that they are to get so drunk on Purim that they cannot distinguish the difference between Haman (the Jew-hating exterminator) and Mordechai (the Henry Kissinger of the story), because there is no difference, in rabbinic eyes! Both serve the purposes of the rabbis. The Kabbalistic secret of Purim is that the Hitlers of the world make the advancement of the Zionist "equilibrium" possible; without violent, implacable opposition to and hatred of all Jewish persons, including peaceable ones of good will, the rabbinic work cannot advance. The more overt understanding of Purim is bound up with two major themes: paganism and the idea of vengeance. As befits a Babylonian Holy Day, Orthodox Judaic believers (especially the Hasidic segment), will be dressed on Purim in grotesque, Halloween-like costumes, and those who desire real insight into the pagan nature of Judaism should travel to the Crown Heights and Williamsburg sections of Brooklyn, New York Tuesday and Wednesday, and observe and if possible videotape this Babylonian Bacchanal while it is in full flower. In terms of revenge, we are reminded of Purim, 1994, when Baruch Goldstein entered the mosque at Hebron and slaughtered 40 Palestinians as they prayed. As a result of this mass murder of the Palestinian "Amalek," there was great celebration in settler enclaves in occupied Palestine and in places like Brooklyn (this writer has video footage of these celebrations). President Bush chose March 17, 2003 --Purim Eve, 5763-- to declare his intent to bomb the Iraqi "Amalek," so perhaps we can be forgiven for seeing in the timing of this ominous decree something more than mere coincidence. And it would not be too far-fetched to surmise that upon achieving a quick, Blitzkrieg victory, the followers of the Babylonian Talmud at the Pentagon are likely to perform covert rabbinic ceremonies at the site of the Tower of Babel, reputed to be some 60 miles south of Baghdad. This writer would like to thank the Department of Defense official who last year briefed readers of this column on ritual aspects of the D.C. Sniper terror, for intelligence on the ritual aspects of the Purim regime, otherwise known as the Bush administration. Hoffman is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the Associated Press. He is co-author, with Moshe Lieberman, of The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians --------- For further research: Revisionist History Newsletter #27 "They Need Terror" Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare Magic & Paganism in the Reign of Elizabeth I Judaism's Strange Gods ------- The HOFFMAN WIRE IS available by e-mail free of charge as a public service. Subscribe to the Hoffman Wire (unsubscribe at any time) ----------- Independent History & Research, Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho 83816 USA ---------------- Those damn Zionists are driving me crazy! by Nassar El Habib 10:31am Wed Mar 26 '03 Why can't someone do something about those damn Zionist trolls! ----------------easy nassar, they have writerite like we all by piet 10:56am Wed Mar 26 '03 but not one to kill nor do we Vengeance should consist of forced and very menial labour, not . . . quoting Hoffman: ... As befits a Babylonian Holy Day, Orthodox Judaic believers (especially the Hasidic segment), will be dressed on Purim in grotesque, Halloween-like costumes.. .. using grotesque halloween customs like bullydowsers to enact their bloodlust and pyrotechnick ---------------- Well... by Honestly 11:02am Wed Mar 26 '03 .... this is independant media, right? regardless of your own feelings, censoring other's is still wrong. Independant means that the opinions should be 'independant' of censoring, say what you feel, and don't just jump on the bandwagon. i support both the 'zionist troll's' right to say what they want and the supporter's of 'school bus bombers' to say what they want. is indy media affraid that their idiocy may have some light shed on it? happy writing to all who contribute!! ---------------- Anyone against Rachel is a traitor. by Stop Fascism! 11:27am Wed Mar 26 '03 Rachel Corrie, an American citizen, was robbed of her life by a foreign state when she gave all she could to defend the powerless victims of the Israeli fascist state. Any American who denounces Rachel Corrie is an enemy of the American people. www.stop-fascism.org ---------------- First the U.S.S. Liberty, now Rachel! by Nasser El-Habib 11:29am Wed Mar 26 '03 When will America wake up to the Zionist threat? ---------------- God bless Hitler by AnArChIsT 12:38pm Wed Mar 26 '03 Hitler knew how to deal with these terrible jews. We should only vote for politicians who support the final solution. Thank God Indymedia is here to satisfy my hatred and blood lust for all that is jewish - why i hate the jews so bad i won't even take a polio shot. Thanks agains Indymedia and don't forget - it's always the JEWS fault. ---------------- I LOVE Indymedia by . 1:51pm Wed Mar 26 '03 It is so great that on this board i can spew my rabid hate filled rants against jews and find so much support - thank you Indymedia and the webmasters that make this possible!! ---------------- zionist in command by Bill Gatchuk 2:28pm Wed Mar 26 '03 The respect of a human life has never existed on the agenda of the Israeli government,army,or the zionist racist movement .Those who brain-wash a vast majority of their own people with the idea that the existance of any other population than a jewish population is an imminent threat not only to their own people but to the existance of the state of Israel. Therefore the zionist media machine which has a vital influence over the American and some European public try to blind-fold the public from the criminal and terrosrist actions that the Israeli government and its soldiers attempt on daily bases not only against the palestinian civilians but it extend to any European or American sympathizers and peace activists who are revealing the hiden facts and standing up for the injustice actions of those immoral policy makers of the state of Israel as well as their soldiers . We dont expect from this very same media to admit the fact that the daily actions of the Israeli army to be described with atrocity but cheaply diverted to accuse all human peace activist to be agent working for Yasser Arafat . Peace activist ---------------- You're dead-on, Bill, Zionists everywhere! by Nassar El-Habib 2:42pm Wed Mar 26 '03 It's the Zionist media that's the cause of all of our unhappiness: CNN -- Zionist controlled FOX -- Run by Zionists MSNBC -- Zionist project Washington Times -- You think run by Moonies? Actually run by Zionists! Washington Jewish Week -- Pure Zionist! We must strike back at the Zionist media and those annoying Zionist trolls with every ounce of strength we possess. Together we will drive them into the sea! Allah akbar, Nassar El-Habib ---------------- no no no nassar, wrong again by piet 2:55pm Wed Mar 26 '03 jews deserve, need and crave for a normal and sustainable life like anyone, perhaps more than others since they have been/gotten 'mselves sot estranged from it. I suggest turning the US army in Iraq into helping hands for archaeologists and we'll have a fieldday/year/decade to determine where the hell mamre was and abraham came from and all that; then we'll turn the waterspouts on the vicinity and make the place enticing enough to get all jews out of Palestinian's hair; sound ok to ya?????? poetpiet.tripod.com -------------  Indymedia run by Zionists! by Nassar El-Habib 3:02pm Wed Mar 26 '03 The filty Zionists took down the little picture of Rachel Corrie from the front page! Allah akbar! ---------------- zion-nazis by the stern gang 5:52pm Wed Mar 26 '03 [Stern Gang] Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany (1941) ------------- From Lenni Brenner: The Iron Wall, London 1984, pp.195-197. Reposted here by permission For the German original click here. Transcribed and marked up by Einde O’Callaghan for REDS – Die Roten. ---------- It is often stated in the speeches and utterances of the leading statesmen of National Socialist Germany that a prerequisite of the New Order in Europe requires the radical solution of the Jewish question through evacuation (“Jew-free Europe”). The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historic boundaries. The solving in this manner of the Jewish problem, thus bringing with it once and for all the liberation of the Jewish people, is the objective of the political activity and the years-long struggle of the Israeli freedom movement, the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Palestine. The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that: Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively lake part in the war on Germany’s side. This offer by the NMO, covering activity in the military, political and information fields, in Palestine and, according to our determined preparations, outside Palestine, would be connected to the military training and organizing of Jewish manpower in Europe, under the leadership and command of the NMO. These military units would take part in the fight to conquer Palestine, should such a front be decided upon. The indirect participation of the Israeli freedom movement in the New Order in Europe, already in the preparatory stage, would be linked with a positive-radical solution of the European Jewish problem in conformity with the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Jewish people. This would extraordinarily strengthen the moral basis of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity. The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be along the lines of one of the last speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler emphasized that he would utilize every combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England. A brief general view of the formation, essence, and activity of the NMO in Palestine: The NMO developed partly out of the Jewish self-defense in Palestine and the Revisionist movement (New Zionist Organization), with which the NMO was loosely connected through the person of Mr. V. Jabotinsky until his death. The pro-English attitude of the Revisionist Organization in Palestine, which prevented the renewal of the personal union, led in the autumn of this year to a complete break between it and the NMO as well as to a thereupon following split in the Revisionist movement. The goal of the NMO is the establishment of the Jewish state within its historic borders. The NMO, in contrast to all Zionist trends, rejects colonizatory infiltration as the only means of making accessible and gradually taking possession of the fatherland and practices its slogan, the struggle and the sacrifice, as the only true means for the conquest and liberation of Palestine. On account of its militant character and its anti-English disposition the NMO is forced, under constant persecutions by the English administration, to exercise its political activity and the military training of its members in Palestine in secret. The NMO, whose terrorist activities began as early as the autumn of the year 1936, became, after the publication of the British White Papers, especially prominent in the summer of 1939 through successful intensification of its terroristic activity and sabotage of English properly. At that lime these activities, as well as daily secret radio broadcasts, were noticed and discussed by virtually the entire world press. The NMO maintained independent political offices in Warsaw, Paris. London and New York until the beginning of the war. The office in Warsaw was mainly concerned with the military organization and training of the national Zionist youth and was closely connected with the Jewish masseswho, especially in Poland, sustained and enthusiastically supported, in every manner, the fight of the NMO in Palestine. Two newspapers were published in Warsaw (The Deed and Liberated Jerusalem): these were organs of the NMO. The office in Warsaw maintained close relations with the former Polish government and those military circles, who brought greatest sympathy and understanding towards the aims of the NMO. Thus, in the year 1939 selected groups of NMO members were sent from Palestine to Poland, where their military training was completed in barracks by Polish officers. The negotiations, for the purpose of activating and concertizing their aid, took place between the NMO and the Polish government in Warsaw – the evidence of which can easily be found in the archives of the former Polish government – were terminated because of the beginning of the war. The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in its ideology and structure. The fighting capacity of the NMO could never be paralyzed or seriously weakened, neither through strong defensive measures by the English administration and the Arabs, nor by those of the Jewish socialists. ------ depressing how many jerks there are by fuc u 6:25pm Wed Mar 26 '03 how do people disrespect some one who is not here to defend them selves. it just shows how weak there morals are. Rachel corrie is one of the most inspiring people i have come across in a while. may all who have known her be proud of her actions. ------------------ 

300611 +11 commentsJoyful Iraqis Welcome US Liberators --- 8th commenter = me: hey, no matter what you think of saddam piet 1:37pm Fri Mar 21 '03 comment#300674 nor how condemnable his sponsoring the 'wrong' kinds of palestinians (assuming some of you, dear readers, will admit there might be a right kind and they might even be helped by the wrong kind with the spare chance left over after buying explosives), he was one of the few arab leaders helping the palestinians at all (hypocrite rich arabs have not secured even the basics, as much as they purport to be taken with their charge's fate) and destroying his various (all too many, granted,) effigies isn't gonna help ANY palestinians, wether it 'feels good' or not. Stick all this art-on-command up on E-bay and allow the proceeds to pay for legal help for palestinians and for mercenaries needed to defend their orchards, if there are even any left, you know, that kind of thing. America is desperately seeking if not faking this sort of reporting but Iragis will soon see fears confirmed that the destruction and all out directives (read dominance) by america starts off with actions that rack up about as much to make up for (apart from the squeasy stranglehold and criminal constriction already decades old) as took Saddam the better (or worse) part of his life!!!!!!!!! 

139500 sf: this one is in second place of just mentioned category  news/?sort=rank  -- SF Indymedia Editorial Policy SF-IMC Editorial Collective 2002-08-04 2:22 AM After months of discussion and debate, the SF Indymedia Editorial Collective has consented upon the following editorial policy. Your thoughts, comments and suggestions are as always welcome. (text/html + 478 comments) ----------- 

50451 Portland.indymedia.org etc - Don't look stupid on tv -- 22nd and -third comments: Are you high, Trip? GRINGO STARS 1:13pm Fri Mar 21 '03 gringo_stars@attbi.com comment#50559 Trip, you must be smoking the kind bud to actually believe that the network television news was "fair and unbiased." They were actually on the phone with the police trying to get the crown arrested! Is that FAIR and UNBIASED, genius? I realise it might harsh your buzz to dig that a protest is confronting people for the real reason the Iraq War is happening (oil for your car to zoom down the highways and roads). But we can't go through life in a stoned haze, can we, Trip? It doesn't MATTER what the people of America think because WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. Sorry to harsh your mellow again, stoner brah. We live in a Plutocracy, rule by the few ultra-wealthy. Against overwhelming popular sentiment against this war, they went and invaded anyways. It wouldn't matter if 99 out of 100 people were against the war, it would still go on as scheduled. The best way to act against this war is to make the costs of waging it too high. Get people to drive less, drive down the demand for oil. Civic unrest is another high cost of the war. If they want to fight this stupid war (a genocide really) then make them pay through the nose. If we can make it NOT worth their while to do it, they will stop. all they want is to make a buck. Don't give them your bucks. Don't let anyone give them their bucks. OK, you are probably pretty bummed out, Trip duuuude, so get back to your bong. ----------- HEY BLACK FLAG? RANCE 2:23pm Fri Mar 21 '03 comment#50631 Since you have your opinions spoonfed to you by the corporate media, you are not in a position to say how the rest of the world sees us. I was out there talking to the people who were in their cars, being blocked and 85% of them were making peace signs. "Majority" is for the war my ass. Do you even stand for anything? -------------- I got neeeews for youuuuu piet 2:45pm Fri Mar 21 '03 comment#50649 america's gastronomic industrial military intestine internecine splinterknot battles come by the grace of those renting space under that umbrella although we (europeans) do as much hem haw ahumming as we can over the muscleboundness inspired hormoneshit (belgium has a veritable maffia in the stuff so we ain't all THAT different ova heres) but we pay for the protection like any old maffiose gangster racket, all proper and tidy. We need to focus on campaigns that seekandfind security in a more multilateral (social) sense while at the same time strengthening the 'other' gendered axis, the vertical (the word green hiding in there, dare I say it frenchwise; curiously the greenest movie I ever saw (the sorceress) plays in france, but I saw it in the states if that's any comfort) one. We need ground our men to grow them up, like trees. Shit, I'm on a roll but this place is closing down so I'll leave yall with some main indy id numbers to whcih I have contributed: 300115, -329, -352, -611, -563 and -540

301310collateralterror.com ---------------- 301672 pretty early fragging case ------------- 301633+2 Haaretz ------------- 301605+36 on fragging (killing superior ranks in one's own army; a practice that has unknown but definite tradition) ---------------- 300778 they know what fragging means in northern ireland (grafitti pic) ----------- 302754  Jim Moran and the Dixie Chicks  Counter Punch Org 2:35am Mon Mar 24 '03 ---------- 302707 calendarlive.com/movies/ oscars/la-oscars-michaelmoore-rm.realvideo ------------- 302581 A flash cartoon about George Junior's rise to power. 3:00 duration, 900 K. George 2 (english) (full story) bencourtney.com/george

302570 A Few Thoughts About The War Israeli Uri Avnery 8:59pm Sun Mar 23 '03 Germany. Germany is against the war. Against any war. In no other country was the anti-war outburst so authentic, emanating from the innermost feelings of the masses. And who is furious about this? Israel, the country of the Holocaust survivors. How do they dare, these damn Germans, to object to the war? A sad irony of history: all German TV stations show citizens, intellectuals and ordinary folk, who pray for peace, all Israeli TV screens show retired generals, obviously enjoying themselves, discussing with great relish how to employ giant bombs and other instruments of death. ---

-194 sniffylinings.com/sniffy/new.html ------------ -267 Mark Seely with a record amount of response; one witty to boot. --------------- -431 Move United Nations Headquarters to Geneva! moveunhq.eccmei.net ------------- 301926 http://scart69.net/synapticgraffiti/ ------------ 301594 Fisk plus graphic graphics and silly threats ---------- 301572 well and respectably referenced article on hating america ---------------- 301547 COALITION OF THE BRIBED, BULLIED & BLINDED ------------------ 301545 http://lovethepeople.org ---  humanrightstech.org ---- universityofthepoor.org 

301845 Flee the dollar. Boycott US products. pipedreampiet 1:57am Sun Mar 23 '03  Sober the Amis up. The umbrella of armed protection europe has lived under since wwII is becoming bellicose and conscious of achieving and being a purpose in its own right, spelling sustainability that rushes on as selfdefeatingly as oil supplies are finite, not to mention ecologically unwise to pump and squander which is what nevertheless happens when present momentae aren't braked, broken and broken down. By the way, this intolerably parasitic and shamelessly schizo-capitalistically split personalities are the seedcrops from and sown by division of labour as much as profits find their root in it. Chiggen and egg quests aside and over, the time is ripe to call monies home from being abused abroad by the most powerful, IF MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, country, not to mention what unmentionables ut is used for as it continues its mission of misery amplification via ($ in) the middle east only to boomerang back and hit us from a corner out of which we thought we had nothing to fear, only gratefulness to expect. From day one our triple miscalculation was predicated with fear and containment propaganda by those who were really not out to protect us in the first place. Not if willingness to and scruplelessness about sending people and even whole regions past death's locked doors of poisons and hazards is not valid proof of noble lip serve prattle such as they hide behind, it certainly no longer deserves the name nor can it claim exigencies of politics anymore either bycause it is mixed with as much fundamental types fanaticisms as those they say to have need for preemptive protection against posses and are similarly possessed by. Every generation mankind turns manhostile to refresh its memories of war the hard way real time(killingly). We need not do without hard and hardware ways but war is the worst form and at the wrong pole along any of their axis always and every time. Let those who won't do without fighting fight fair and not with selfdefeatingly high stakes and risks. Take on rivals all you want but hands off everybody who doesn't consider 'mselves to be in your league. DOWN FROM THE BONETONETHRONE YOUALL WHO ARE STUCK THINKING COLDLY AND ADOLESCENTLY MECHANICAL. See that you do your deadly serious play-acting on a stage that doesn't use force and fungibility subterfuges like taxbases in order to force feed it to slave subordiate audiences. WE ACQUIT YOU CAUSE WE QUIT. All need a real job. Recall foreign funds from the US - Such advice can in no way be construed as cruel to americans. On the contrary, the last in line runs the risk of getting zippo back for a by then worthless dollar. Care must be taken to make the boycott as strong as the funds freeing action lest the elite profit from easier export (due to more attractive exchange rates). The bossturd autointoxicated testosterone terrorist not(- and un) accountables with their local balance disrupting foodstuffs and worse, arms are found out and will soon stand trial. Let the brotherhood which began with Beethoven be brought back on track. If successful it will help Americans sober up and start implementing remedies afresh on small and proper scale. 'Revolunorms' as old as symbolization itself, and though oftentimes no more than distributed in mere homeopathic proportion, they remain in nevertheless potent dilution (easy to sniff out if you develop a( indy)sense for it). ------------------------ posted 4 times, at Melbourne 51855, Portland 51980 and dc 58642 (the only place it got honoured with a comment, well disgraced rather,  the man who calls hissself 'dumbass Moran's fat you knowwhat' makes fun of hippies as usual . .. . but at least he read it) ------- Postscript: The solution is simple yet multiple for every sensible body: emancipate yourselves frrom the symbol for onemanupmanship, the dollar, in all directions, manners, means and forms.

44303+9 Melbourne = long but not real useful -------------- 43932 +11 Indymedia under attack (from inside) by what ever happened to TRANSPARANCY 11:49am Tue Mar 18 '03 ---------------- peaceeconomy.org ???? ------------- 44638 John Sigler Move United Nations Headquarters to Genevahttp://moveunhq.eccmei.net ---------------- 44616+11 Mistreatment of Prisoners of War by spinifex 10:07am Mon Mar 24 '03 -------------- 44582 profrv post --------- 301445 Mexico announces plan to sell dollars John Authers -- example of what I'm driving at ------------------- -40 Interested in Irish politics and history ? From today and yesterday - all 32 Counties ! ...including comments on American involvement in Iraq and other countries ..... 1169andcounting.blogspot.com ------------- -32 aratio.nl/amsterdampeacedemonstration/ -

301414+6 Captain america our toughest troll finds another few baitbiters --- there is even a sequel: 301431 --------------------- http://globalsense.info/globalsense.html online book in pdf by very straight lookingTom Paine admirer ----------------- 302760 another common sense strategist: http://a16alliance.cjb.net/ ------------- 301187How Many 1,000 year old Redwoods have to Die?  Attila Gyenis 2:16am Sat Mar 22 '03 A call for support for the tree sit in Freshwater, CA, the Forest Defenders who are protecting the old growth, and are currently being yanked out by Pacific Lumber/Maxxam, and the execution of an ancient Redwood. -------------- 301169 Fisk for the Independent Terrorism And Weapons Of Mass Destruction, American Style - 'Shock And Awe' -------------301379+4 Daily Mirror --------------- 302614dsltv.nl/ Iraqi TV -- BBC World -- EuroNews -- Deustche Welle (German News network) ----- aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news073.htm --------------- 300594A continent betrayed  Polly Toynbee 12:30pm Fri Mar 21 '03  By backing Bush and blaming France, Tony Blair has missed his - and Britain's - European destiny --------------

52070 dc+10 Mike Moore raises ire at the Oscars - Michael Moore's Acceptance Speech oscar.com/oscarnight/winners/win_32297.html -- Michael Moore: Whoa. On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much. ------ --------------- 52109 dc comments to the Mike Moore hullabaloo:Cheers and boos 42 10:17pm Sun Mar 23 '03 comment#52160 What I heard was a cacophony of cheers and boos. I think the cheers were much louder. I'm a little surprised that they let him speak his entire 45 seconds.-----------  Moron Sue 11:40pm Sun Mar 23 '03 comment#52218 What a jerk. The President earned his position fair and square. He has harder desicions to make these days than whose going to sit under his desk. Why don't Mike Moore take his family to live in Iraq. Better yet, tell him to go make his oscar movies over there. Get a grip people, this should have been done years ago, maybe if it had been, New York would still have twin towers. And alot of familys would be alot happier these days!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------- a big thank you to 'Sue' + all wingnut Trolls blah 12:20am Mon Mar 24 '03 address: Michael Moore WINS! comment#52245 nice one, posting the World Net Daily [BWAH HA AHA HA HA what a pathetic joke] version of what supposedly happened at the Oscars, and giving yourselves a little thread of your own to 'vent' your diseased frustrations and Disinformation. You must agree with 'Hollywood's elite' then, huh? heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? Date=20030323&Category=APN& ArtNo=303230903&Ref=AR "A standing ovation and a handful of jeers from Hollywood's elite . . ." why DO you bother wasting time here at Portland Indymedia, anyway?

?????? CHERYL SEAL REPORTS: Propaganda Busting Notes from the "Media Front"  home.earthlink.net/~cherylseal/index.html Dateline uses hatemongering tactics while Michael Moore speaks out - and the response "edited out." Why are alleged U.S. soldier bodies on Iraq video dressed in green fatigues - not desert issue? What Tommy Franks REALLY is saying.... 

https://members.tripod.com/~zappa_web2/200motels.htm  ---- Trying to find the guy with the heavy voice one hears and sees singing at the end of baby snakes --------- http://home.online.no/~corneliu/zappa.htm

303004 one of my last best ofs; get yar freshcreamofindycrop now (english) piet 1:14pm Mon Mar 24 '03 gotta make a move, might take a year or so; i'm picky, see me (about) scouting for big trees and partectin 'm with an orchard or something. 'tsbeen real but not what I expected, wether more or less I remains undecidable with which I make my peace. Thanks for havin me. ------------------------- 

304568 Fisk In Baghdad: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'  Robert Fisk 8:43pm Wed Mar 26 '03  It was an outrage, an obscenity. The severed hand on the metal door, the swamp of blood and mud across the road, the human brains inside a garage, the incinerated, skeletal remains of an Iraqi mother and her three small children in their still-smouldering car. Two missiles from an American jet killed them all, by my estimate, more than 20 Iraqi civilians, torn to pieces before they could be 'liberated' by the nation that destroyed their lives. Who dares, I ask myself, to call this 'collateral damage'? Abu Taleb Street was packed with pedestrians and motorists when the American pilot approached through the dense sandstorm that covered northern Baghdad in a cloak of red and yellow dust and rain yesterday morning. It's a dirt-poor neighbourhood, of mostly Shia Muslims, the same people whom Messrs Bush and Blair still fondly hope will rise up against President Saddam Hussein, a place of oil-sodden car-repair shops, overcrowded apartments and cheap cafes. Everyone I spoke to heard the plane. One man, so shocked by the headless corpses he had just seen, could say only two words. "Roar, flash," he kept saying and then closed his eyes so tight that the muscles rippled between them. How should one record so terrible an event? Perhaps a medical report would be more appropriate. But the final death toll is expected to be near to 30 and Iraqis are now witnessing these awful things each day; so there is no reason why the truth, all the truth, of what they see should not be told. For another question occurred to me as I walked through this place of massacre yesterday. If this is what we are seeing in Baghdad, what is happening in Basra and Nasiriyah and Kerbala? How many civilians are dying there too, anonymously, indeed unrecorded, because there are no reporters to be witness to their suffering? Abu Hassan and Malek Hammoud were preparing lunch for customers at the Nasser restaurant on the north side of Abu Taleb Street. The missile that killed them landed next to the westbound carriageway, its blast tearing away the front of the cafe and cutting the two men, the first 48, the second only 18, to pieces. A fellow worker led me through the rubble. "This is all that is left of them now," he said, holding out before me an oven pan dripping with blood. At least 15 cars burst into flames, burning many of their occupants to death. Several men tore desperately at the doors of another flame-shrouded car in the centre of the street that had been flipped upside down by the same missile. They were forced to watch helplessly as the woman and her three children inside were cremated alive in front of them. The second missile hit neatly on the eastbound carriageway, sending shards of metal into three men standing outside a concrete apartment block with the words, "This is God's possession" written in marble on the outside wall. The building's manager, Hishem Danoon, ran to the doorway as soon as he heard the massive explosion. "I found Ta'ar in pieces over there," he told me. His head was blown off. "That's his hand." A group of young men and a woman took me into the street and there, a scene from any horror film, was Ta'ar's hand, cut off at the wrist, his four fingers and thumb grasping a piece of iron roofing. His young colleague, Sermed, died the same instant. His brains lay piled a few feet away, a pale red and grey mess behind a burnt car. Both men worked for Danoon. So did a doorman who was also killed. As each survivor talked, the dead regained their identities. There was the electrical shop-owner killed behind his counter by the same missile that cut down Ta'ar and Sermed and the doorman, and the young girl standing on the central reservation, trying to cross the road, and the truck driver who was only feet from the point of impact and the beggar who regularly called to see Mr Danoon for bread and who was just leaving when the missiles came screaming through the sandstorm to destroy him. In Qatar, the Anglo-American forces, let's forget this nonsense about "coalition", announced an inquiry. The Iraqi government, who are the only ones to benefit from the propaganda value of such a bloodbath, naturally denounced the slaughter, which they initially put at 14 dead. So what was the real target? Some Iraqis said there was a military encampment less than a mile from the street, though I couldn't find it. Others talked about a local fire brigade headquarters, but the fire brigade can hardly be described as a military target. Certainly, there had been an attack less than an hour earlier on a military camp further north. I was driving past the base when two rockets exploded and I saw Iraqi soldiers running for their lives out of the gates and along the side of the highway. Then I heard two more explosions; these were the missiles that hit Abu Taleb Street. Of course, the pilot who killed the innocent yesterday could not see his victims. Pilots fire through computer-aligned co-ordinates, and the sandstorm would have hidden the street from his vision. But when one of Malek Hammoud's friends asked me how the Americans could so blithely kill those they claimed to want to liberate, he didn't want to learn about the science of avionics or weapons delivery systems. And why should he? For this is happening almost every day in Baghdad. Three days ago, an entire family of nine was wiped out in their home near the centre of the city. A busload of civilian passengers were reportedly killed on a road south of Baghdad two days ago. Only yesterday were Iraqis learning the identity of five civilian passengers slaughtered on a Syrian bus that was attacked by American aircraft close to the Iraqi border at the weekend. The truth is that nowhere is safe in Baghdad, and as the Americans and British close their siege in the next few days or hours, that simple message will become ever more real and ever more bloody. We may put on the hairshirt of morality in explaining why these people should die. They died because of 11 September, we may say, because of President Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction", because of human rights abuses, because of our desperate desire to "liberate" them all. Let us not confuse the issue with oil. Either way, I'll bet we are told President Saddam is ultimately responsible for their deaths. We shan't mention the pilot, of course. argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/...