331849 Wal-Mart's Sam's Club Ready for Debut in Beijing & SPAWN OF THE NAFTA(c)ollage (by £) 4:34pm Fri Jul 11 '03 a big collage with fragments of money bills, vouchers, etc ---- belgian tv showed cosmetic surgery already (english) piet 5:55am Sat Jul 12 '03 comment#331942 -- there .. . .with a headstart . .. . of epidemic proportions!!! --- who do they all thing/hope to fool besides themselves???? ---- I was taken in by 2 boob jobs in my life and once almost by a trans but now I can smell 'm from a mile away as the saying goes. 

331760 geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/5225/excellent cartoons, lots and lots of stuff 
 

331988 On the Jews: Harry S. Truman 1947 Diary Sat Jul 12   I was forced to recognize Israel and in doing so, I have destroyed the nation of Palestine. 

331946 4th comment: U.S . troops killing themselves!! DUh 7:54pm Sat Jul 12 '03 comment#332053 The "friendly" resiDUe you leave behind on your tour of DUty is a slow death sentence for you DUmb pawns doing the dirty work of D. rUmsfeld and co. We told you so, but you would not listen. 

331945 Regime no 1, Regime no 2 , Regime no 3 , Regime no 4.....and so it goes on.... (english) Anti-Pokemon 6:14am Sat Jul 12 --- Why? Why replace one regime with another one. If George W Bush leaves the office, another criminal will take his place. Its the system you have to change. There isn`t going to be any change before you realize this fundamental essence. Why replace an old regime with a new regime. Same as the old fuss. Tell me, why? Fuck Bush, Fuck Blair, Fuck Koizumi, Fuck Putin, Fuck Berlusconi, Fuck Schröder, Fuck Chirac Fuck all of them. ------------ agree, but (english) Faira 6:28am Sat Jul 12 '03 comment#331947 I agree with you, but you don't have to have a filthy tongue. Perhaps we do not deserve anyone decent, because we the sheeple do not act decent!!!! Perhaps we are getting what we deserve. A righteous people get a righteous ruler! -------------- Bingo Evolution Revolution Guil-lo-tuneTime (english) Arena Of Remember Me I'm BACK 6:35am Sat Jul 12 '03 comment#331949 Sweet Liberty's Voice ---------------- Arena performs the act of reminescing and selfreference(setting other people off ((six days)) later 333247 to remember a post of his 332735 too, see further down) -  Divine Calling (english) by Sweet Liberty's Arena of Death 3:53am Tue Jan 15 '02 118775 I have found a friend, freest of Spirits Born in hard prisons and abiding their like a sleeping lion For even in the darkest and crassest times Liberty trembles in the lines of poets And affirms itself in the pages of thinkers And Burns solitary and magnificent In some men who can not be assimilated by the world around them. For Liberty appears as abiding purely And invincibly and consciously Only in a few noble spirits. --  57717The call against our enemies is already made (english) by Liberty's Arena of Truth and Justice 11:30am Tue Aug 7 '01 (To the Enemies of Sweet Lady Liberty) (REMEMBER THE FRENCH AND AMERICAN REVOLUTIONS, FOLKS) they had to be terrorized by a greater terror than the terror that had brought them to their knees in the first place!! NAIL CAN ONLY DRIVE OUT NAIL !! Deadly force must be used against Terrorized brainwashing violence!! ------- 122296 As once was so shall it be... As time goes by (english) by Sweet Lady Liberty 4:52pm Tue Jan 22 '02 About the "Companies" they keep, they have gone around the world using other people's hard labor, making millions while throwing them peanuts, then using mindless goons of hatred, violence and intimidation to put under their boots anyone who would try and rise up against their VIOLENCE!! The Force of Outrage vs. The Violence of Hatred  -------  136250 A Proffr1 $1.00 Arena of Collective Souls BET (english) by IMC's Arena of Collective Souls 8:45pm Sat Feb 16 '02 And they ask me "What/s my bag Spartacus?" Wow Cassanova what a Grand Enterprise Releash Post! We Glads Salute you! How about a Chivalrous Arena "mainly to enthuse collectivist intellectuals," ! --------- 108393 I Would Love Buenos Aries at this time   ---------- 129548 An Evolving transformational Evolution Revolution by Liberty Arena! ------------ 57652A Tale of Tales in a passions play of Vengeance ---- 58670 Do you think they really deserve it ??? (english) by Project Guillotine 10:16am Mon Aug 13 '0s XXXXXX  ------- 93310IMC IS AN ARENA OF COLLECTIVE SOULS.. (english) by Arena of Wherever You will Go 1:07am Wed Nov 21 '01 IMC IS AN ARENA OF COLLECTIVE SOULS.. Each one reaching out in Quest For the Impossible Dream Awakening... Now Awaken To Project Guillotine's Evolution Revolution ------------- bingo (english) Faira 7:15am Sat Jul 12 '03 comment#331957 Have you lost your mind? Are you related to Savage? ------------- I go: 

Next in the thread called 'RAINBOW': (only previous part of which ((above)) crossposted to indy)- 'envy'? '258'? Could you be a little more cryptic please??? I ain't got time nor tools to divine (whatever you put/read into) all that. 'mystified'? No I don't mystify people on purpose. On the contrary, I try to (mentally) show 'm that mistification of rock and water is the action all the dreamspell poetry and crypticity shouldawouldacould lead up to if they ever stop being addicted to the fabulous cargo cultoid 'probing'. It's a telltale symptom to find that THE most busy threads around here. Not so far from the diagnosis crowd after all are ya?? I'll look at your site too and get back to you. Thanks for trying but do it a little harder, go ahead, I promise not to let you hurt me more than you have done. So, are the one with the partner that referred to her dutch language skills on this board before? Are you protective of her mayhap? Frankly, I don' see any use for the formal rigidity of prescribed poetry and very cryptic at that; I agree that brevity is a virtue and that it suffices but what if it goes horrible wrong and fail their purpose/target yet again to remains stuck in symbol signpost and what have you in other flavors abstractions; sure, fine tuned i ching is great at all this but the gif you link to makes me nervous (and the linked flash don't work by the way) - I much prefer the last page in a series on the i-ching at tortuga (the 260 worked into a yin yang i-ching, very elegant). Rock is formal enough and the purpose is to see/find/make merits of it set aflow and up to intricate come true in practice rather than or close behind in words. Numberlessness is the real thing math is only flexing for and pining after. That clear enough for ya? Ps: Heybore is a crazy old man who likes painting like a toddler would, he is just proud it pays his bills. Oh, by the way, here's directions for the European edition of this year's Rainbow Gathering -- in the pyrenees (southern france) Welcome to the 21st European Rainbow gathering in France 22 july - 22 august in the pyrénnées - orientales ***** please bring : Peace; blankets, tents, bowl, spoon, cup warm clothes, creativity, mosquitos net, tarps, spices, kitchen pots, children support, tools, music, visions dreams, love and light .. do not bring: alcohol, drugs, dogs, violence, electric-equipment, meat products, plastics ******* A COMPLETELY NON COMMERCIAL HAPPENING **** location : west of Perpignan ->(dir.) Foix -> Axat -> (dir.)mont -Louis ->escouloubres -> (dir.) querigut -> LE PLA -> small road to : refuge de Laurenti -> signs to the parking -> camp 30mns easy walk, from Foix take ->Ax les thermes ->mijanes -> le Pla... ********* we need 4x4 or donkies or horses to bring food supply beautiful Nature take care of wild life, flowers, and trees rainbow family from France see you soon in harmony tel possible: akim 06 23 74 39 70 gerard 04 66 85 12 55
 

enki of unn13.com devotes his first post for the tortuga.com boards to a new thread as reply for my 6th one at 19=260 in general questions, I in turn go: Thanks for your interest (in defending your cause which nevertheless remains obscure since I have as yet to use paypal for the first time, haven't the means (credit card) to pay my server, etc and so can't find out why or how you would defend cowardly snipers of any stripe or colour let alone calling them great warriors; zulu's used all sorts of potions and if the redcoats hadn't had the gunjams they 'suffered' things would have been different and even less fair fighting). --------- My question is simply: When did the 'bible code' get popularized and was this Rashad's inspiration or was it vica versa (not that it matters much to me, I consider this line of 'enquiry' gratuitous, a forced and all too willful way of finding synchronicities, a lowering of the validity threshold, a poor and too wide setting of criteria specs allowing associtations to be made too fast and furious, too loose, comprende?????) -------- Ps: in your next turn of conversation with me could you supply the url of where you found this comment of mine - I am unable to retrieve it since the search engine can't even find the word bunkum (ps: my mistake)------- Here's what I wrote since -(snipped; here pageups away)- and there is a fresh load of pondering all this in a thread called rainbow for those of you not despairing of being able to get what i mean:  ----- this was also posted as 4th comment on a main indy thread which starts out thusly: Regime no 1, Regime no 2 , Regime no 3 , Regime no 4.....and so it goes on.... (english) Anti-Pokemon 6:14am Sat Jul 12 '03 (Modified on 7:27am Sat Jul 12 '03) article#331945 Why? Why replace one regime with another one. If George W Bush leaves the office, another criminal will take his place. Its the system you have to change. ----------- 3rd commenter is a black buddy of mine ---------- a few comments later:  your one before last paragraph belies and almost negates whatever you said elsewhere (to me mothers and motherships are really a function fabulatrice apart) which makes me wonder what you mean when you say: "You will find the craft of the true poet comes not over night." ------- Are you referring to the space- variety thereof? In that case I can say I care not for such craft. ---------- In hopes we can get (and cooperate on getting) all whites (and whitey ways) out of africa and all blacks back into it 

TO A TORTUGAN AT EVERGREEN COLLEGE:  hullo podner; how's that University Library holding up there? I wish to specifically know the paintquality on the 4 story high peripheral staircase coming out onto the roof (on which I camped a few weeks in the eighties). When was the most recent mural put on and can you refer me to or send any pics of it??? ------------------- Poetpiet, The library clocktower staircase? I don't have pics for you but Be more specific and I'll check it out. Do you mean the stairwell mural of Quetzecoatl done by Jose's class in !972? PlanetarySeed ------------------ yeah that it!!!! Sigh (of relief); good thing it is still there. I'd love to know if it already lives around the net somewhere or if it could be made to do so. Thanks for getting back to me. Ps: you wouldn't happen to know deena, talbot and yarrow (their daughter, they made candles for a while, live in Olympia (O leary road or something, right on a tidewater close to the bakery where evergreen organizes races through them which I won one of) and I lost touch widdem sadly).  ------------ HIS NEXT ANSWER IS UNCANNY, LOOK FOR IT HERE LATER

madison: newswire/display/12993/index.php Green, growing . .. and growing ------ 13123+39 Army trashed in Milwaukee

Ireland adds unworkable but luckily identical for each item code behind their urls, quite reflective of the laborious yet shades of shokal shedding 'content' at newswire.php?story_ID=60340 -------- 60366 is informative on travellers 

indymedia.nl/nl/2003/07/12818.shtml rainbow/earth first flavor spirit in Holland! 04/11401+29 exceptional amount of religiously pc comments on communism

militarycity.com/forums perhaps an idea to go see what's up there ---- 

76830+14 Irish "bombmaker" story just more Zionist propaganda J16 

76413 on soldiers 

76776+13 How I became an 'unconscious fascist' by Fiamma Nirenstein 10:39pm Tue Jul 15 '03 (Modified on 9:45pm Wed Jul 16 '03) The left has proved itself the real cradle of contemporary anti-Semitism. 

76714+13 a rich item with satire, voting machines and Amy Goodman critique

76535+10 Palestinians confirm no massacre in Jenin - study by By JOEL LEYDEN 4:24pm Mon Jul 14 '03 (Modified on 4:46pm Wed Jul 16 '03) Funny how the terrorists themselves have now admitted the "Jenin massacre" is a lie before the folks at antiwar, IMC, ANSWER, ISM, etc..... --- we find out dc has a pro-israeli state editor and her attempts to civilize Ken yield results

76467+14 patriot perk spam

76466+13 Wash post on Infoshop (no replies to this article posted on the lbo list)

[lbo-talk] Co-opting Solidarity: Privilege in the Palestine Solidarity Movement -- onwardnewspaper.org/ archives/2-2002/solomon.html > ------------ ChuckO: Onward magazine should be read with a large salt shaker. It frequently contains alot of liberal political correctness masqueradin as radical political analysis. ---------- Actually, it's worth reading. You see, when I read articles like this one, I think, "Well, as a heterosexual white male with a university degree, a steady job, and a mortgage, with all kinds of privilege and status, and all kinds of oppressive strategies and discourses being deployed on my behalf that I probably don't even know about, I guess I have no place at _all_ in anything remotely progressive." Saves me a lot of trouble. --------- Michael Pugliese: Chuck, did you read the piece, which critiques pseudo-left PC masquarding as radical praxis? Here is a snippet I just sent to the one of the ufpj lists, as a reply to the Yoshiebot > ...On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:39:57 -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: ... (Did anyone notice that few Arab and/or Muslim delegates, much less Palestinian delegates, attended the UFPJ conference in Chicago? Are there any Palestinian activists on this listserv?... ----------- Michael Pugliesebot:  Something that was mentioned in, ..Not every U.S. activist involved in Palestinian solidarity efforts is acting in ways accountable to Palestinians and others involved in the movement. These activists often occupy privileged locations of identity whiteness and, more often than not, WASPiness and class privilege. Such activists may plan actions supposedly on behalf of Palestinians yet structured around agendas other than what might actually be useful to Palestinian people. For example, activists may initiate (or attempt to initiate, the more common occurrence in April in DC) illegal, potentially high risk activities that could endanger Muslims, Arabs and South Asians in the area, generally at a much higher risk than, for example, white goy anarchists. High risk actions for Palestine are not acceptable when privileged activists organize them without discussion with Muslim and Arab groups, particularly when there was no call for such activities from Muslim, Arab and South Asian groups. Such situations especially occur in contexts where majority white and goy groups claiming to be pro-Palestinian liberation activists have little to no relationship or communication with South Asian, Arab and Muslim communities in general. Many white goy activists autonomously plan pro-Palestinian actions they think sound cool, without any familiarity with the work already done by Arab, Muslim and South Asian activists groups or how they could usefully plug in. Such activists act in ways unaccountable to the people they are supposedly with. Non-Palestinians engaging in solidarity work must support Palestinians, not use the Palestinian solidarity movement as an opportunity to advance their own (conscious or unconscious) agendas. A dangerous trend emerging here, which has emerged over and over in radical movement, is activism as co-optation, not in solidarity. In the 60s and early 70s the Black Panther Party was exoticized by white U.S. activists who got pleasure from their edgy Similar dynamics can be seen today with white radicals in the globalization movement fixing their colonial gaze upon yet another oppressed and group... -- -- ------------- Yoshie: I realize that the above article really caught your fancy, but attending the conference isn't an illegal high-risk activity, so it is not relevant in this context. The dearth of Arab and/or Muslim delegates (to say nothing of Palestinian delegates) at the UFPJ conference in Chicago simply means, in my opinion, that UFPJ has work harder to increase their participation (as well as participation of Black activists, another underrepresented but crucial constituency). BTW, you may not have noticed, but I'm not white -- you are. ---------- MP: As an Italian-American, I'm writing a Italian version of David Roediger's, "How The Irish Became White." Read, "Race Traitor, " magazine y'all and abolish the white race! It is long overdue. And, btw, Italian-American were also interned in WWII. A recent book from a university press details this, which I'd never heard before, not even from my Italian relatives in Pittsburgh, whose heavily invested in Italian identity and conservative Catholicism, was one major factor in driving me away from too much of an identity rooted in parochial, ethno-religious factors and towards the secular left. And, may not have noticed that you are Japanese? Pluueze. That would be as hard as not recognizing that Eugene Genovese is an Italian name. And, noticed, that you didn't have that snotty last line on the ufpj reply to me. Michael Pugliese ------ Yosh: I'm not about to let a white person accuse me of white privilege _twice_ on two different listservs! From now on, you are consigned to the trash file again. I hope you'll desist from cyber-stalking. -- ----- MP: Now what the fuck is that supposed to mean? That I can't reply to Yoshie on a list that she is on too? Leninist LLP=Left Face of State Capitalist Arrogance, Inc. -------- Grant: Michael, I was disappointed with that article's lack of recognition of another kind of "privilege", i.e economic class, _within_ national/ethnic struggles, whether this is represented by the Palestinian bourgeoisie, or native American and African American entrepreneurs, to cite quite different examples. regards ------------ MP: Yes, that was an ellision in the analysis. One strength of Old Left marxism, often forgotten was it's suspicion of nationalism for it's occlusion of class domination. For not genuflecting towards nationalist romanticizing of an undivided people historians like Hobsbawm get rubbished on other internet "marxist" fora that in theory declaim against Stalinist two stage theories (first the national democratic revo under the "leadership" of a mythical "national bourgeoisie" then later the socialist revo, which, in the last instance, never occurs, but, whenever, in the real world, an actual revolution occurs under the strict control of a M-L vanguard party (think of the FSLN or FMLN, after reading speeches to party militants by such as Tomas Borge, and then remember the agitprop to credulous liberals in the 80's attempting to hide the radical intent as if the Ortgega brothers were little more than liberal Democrats in a hurry) the discipling of the working class and peasantry to the demands of int'l. capital can be implemented under the logic of the need for national unity. -- Michael Pugliese --- skipping one of Grant's ----- MP: Projection city, goin' on there! If you saw my post of an excerpt from the anarchist critique of a very white pro-Palestine movement, as primarily meant to "correct you" who I've never seen, nor do I think the majority here do, over the years, as ever being one to relent on your dogmatism and hectoring style, I've long ago thought that anything I can say or suggest in terms of other readings or approaches, would influence you or any other Proyectite (except a few like Jurrian Bendian or Dave Walters) but, as my attempt, to impart to those less indoctrinated in the peculiar irreality and taboos of leninist discourse in an USA context which, when leninists have exercised hegemony on the mass activist left, has always ended up in further marginalization and such bizarre, sordid tales as Maoists in the October League calling for supporting the placing of the NATO Euromissiles. 

Related links via the intentional community list:

Mosaic Communities Multi-National Housing Co-ops in Israel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MosaicCoops

Encounter-EMEM for Middle East Peace Activists - Encounter, Musadafa, Encuentro, Mifgash. Networking about Palestine-Israel peace activities around the world: Encounter-EMEM-subscribe@YahooGroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Encounter-EMEM Visit the Encounter Website at salam-shalom.net

ActLeft - Announcements only, of Middle East peace activities in Israel-Palestine: actleft@YahooGroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ActLeft

Jewish Peace News (JPN) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jewishpeacenews

Arabs and Jews seeking peace - a moderated email discussion: Salaam_V_Shalom-subscribe@YahooGroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Salaam_V_Shalom

Middle East peace information and opinions exchange - not moderated: mideastwebdialog-subscribe@YahooGroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mideastwebdialog mideastweb.org

What can you do for Israel/Palestine peace? Check out Ariga's Israeli-Palestinian Human Rights and Peace Groups ariga.com/humanrights/index.htm and mideastweb.org

Ta'ayush - Arab-Jewish Partnership info@taayush.org http://minerva.tau.ac.il/~alon/taayush.html taayush.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taayush

Sign the "Our Jerusalem, Capital of Two States" petition of Gush Shalom. gush-shalom.org/jerusalem

Peace Now Israel: peacenow.org.il American Friends: peacenow.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PeaceNowDiscussion

"AS AN OFFICER IN THE PARATROOPS AND AS A JEW I KNOW: OPPRESSION OF ANOTHER PEOPLE - IS NOT ZIONISM" -- First Lieutenant (reserves) David Zonshein seruv.org.il/defaultEng.asp

Want to know what's really going on in the occupied territories? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cpthebron/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/palsolidarity/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternativenews/ btselem.org

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- WWII Nazi Leader Hermann Goering ----------------  The opposing sides are as follows: Jews and Palestinians who want to live together in peace, respect and equality as opposed to Jews & Palestinians who want exclusive control of all the resources between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. - Tamar Yaron 

Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Eberhardt Subject: Twelve Tribes Have any of you met the Twelve Tribes communities? They are a tribal network of intentional communities modeled after the communities in the biblical account of Acts. I am an ex-member, yet my experience there has prompted me to consider the accomplishments of IC's and their solutions for our current social services, especially homelessness. Anyway, I have posted the actual teachings in my possession to a yahoo group: Twelve_Tribes_Teachings/ If anyone is interested in viewing their 'esoteric' teachings versus their 'exoteric' material (website, freepapers). Jacob 

332909 agent skully type post (conspiracy, without links to the group operated under that name) --- I go (added to hawaii 3158 too: no matter how 'multigenerational', evil would not burgeon, prosper and command such vast swaths of earth's territories maiming as many as it pleases if the even more multiple but as yet tiny little leaks which nursing, phys and head ed, rites of passage, rates, proportions, locations as well as allocations of demography sprung, did not accumulate into ( . . . 'them' ((of course)) - forgot that word on the item). -- When privacy is all about concealment rather than generation of basic needs we will never have true populism or fair politics, I mean we won't stand a chance in frozen hell to integrate journalism advertizing and politics 

33276+6 on Chomsky -- 

pr likes Peter Arshinov (on Mahkno) and 'Durruti;the people armed.' by Abel Paz. 

332507 thedubyareport.com/quotes.htm

332456 More Rubbish British "Intelligence" Rowan Berkeley - The summary (the only part in his own words if I remember correctly): Not content with generating phantom shipments of yellowcake uranium(and to be fair, the cable supposedly reporting this stuff was probably planted on the hapless Brits by those fiends at Mossad), British "Intelligence" have also snitched on a Gaelic language enthusiast as being a bomb making "terrorist". Apologies are not particularly likely, given the anonymity of these idiotic people. -------pr chimes in with some case of similarly fabricated rot in Saudi Arabia ----- haven't posted this but I would say that anonymity, the more it is paradoxically personal (the more one turns the personal into ghostlike godlike, traceless, watertight, etc, power rather than realizing the term anonymity can only be applied to the highl diffuse yet identical, the truely massive, the mix that can answer to one just as little to all names) the less is the 'owner' of it to subject such non-entity to responsible qualms and scrutinies of conscience unless on the contrary he regards it as a magic black hole to dump these very in at times and at others at liberty to turn it around aim it and suck up some sustenance through it as if it were a straw at the fair. In short, with it, one can amputate but it makes the wielder of this means an amputatee long before that.

332444 Eugene conference (breakthechains.net I see new sites in their linklist)

-444+9 (2 by RW) on holocaust by Hajime Tokuno (a Res. Fellow who does 4 comments also) --- 3135 hawaii chalks up 23 comments to this article) ----- -09+3 same topic;RW goes: I Have The Stomach To Read David Duke (english) Rowan Berkeley 12:48am Tue Jul 15 '03 comment#332471 I'm kinda strong-stomached, I guess... I did find something that made me feel a bit queasy, yesterday; it purported to be a "declassified secret psychoanalytic report on Hitler". The fact that it was printed (on the web-site of a certain Dr Stein) between bright red side columns made it even harder to read all through. You don't have to be a psychoanalyst to realise that those bright red side columns produce Oedipal anxiety in the reader, since to the unconscious they resemble the walls of the forbidden vagina of the mother. The actual report speculated that Hitler might have been the illegitimate grandson of Baron Rothschild. They said this might explain his interest in power politics. ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/osstitle.htm ----------- -361+15 same topic -- pr goes: Kick all the aint-semitic crap off. (english) pr 7:20pm Mon Jul 14 '03 comment#332417 As a regular here since 2001 I support modeRATion to stem the sewage being pumped here by Amerikkkan nazi's.They should all be suspended,(by piano wire?)until they cease and desist with their racist crap.If the don't they should be barred.This is not censorship for they can goosestep off to stormfront or fork their own indy distro. This is simple self defence;you nazi pigs will never expunge yr stinking record of mass murder.You are serial killers and you make me sick.Go follow yr Fuhrer Mark Seely and blow yr rotten brains out. ---- RW goes: Cherchez La Moolah (english) Rowan Berkeley 12:56am Tue Jul 15 '03 comment#332473 "Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. 'That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.' As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics." --- Gore Vidal You won't see THAT in the goddam "Guardian", which is where the story about Truman's diaries came from, so as usual mosta youse are completely missing the point, which is colloquially expressed by the query, "How did this ELEPHANT get into the LIVING ROOM?" 

-357 Firestorm over Film depicting US soldiers as thieves and drug users (english) From Drudge Report 1:52pm Mon Jul 14 '03 The film's director Gregor Jordan describes SOLDIERS as a robust satire illustrating the corruption, drug use and violence that goes on in US Army bases. 

-291 rebelart.net/ ????? German mag not really much of anything yet

-317 Death Penalty Saves Lives! Scientific Study Finds That Executions Deter Murders. (not well received by all 4 commenters; here's one:) - Fucking Preserves Viginity (english) Michael McGehee 4:40pm Mon Jul 14 '03 comment#332383 A recent commentor on an article of mine is the inspiration behind this and oddly relative to this article. I need to find a new "liberal model" that can predict how many virgins there will be based on how many virgins we fuck in any given week. This will help prevent pregnancies and STD's. Anyone caught not fucking will be tried as a fucker. ----------- The analysis (english) Brian 5:43pm Mon Jul 14 '03 comment#332398 Multivariate (or factor) analysis is a total fiction, unless the proportion of the results not explained by the factor analysis is also reported. >snip< 

-347 Thousands Surround Prison in Support of Political Prisoner Jose Bove (english) Frenchy O'Brian 12:50pm Mon Jul 14 '03 (Modified on 4:56pm Mon Jul 14 '03) Huge Demo, Lots of Noise, We surrounded the prison (almost), tagged the walls with graffitti, had a good time in the afternoon sun. 

-270 global-elite.org

-236+6 on libertarianism - pr jumps on it predictably enough, twice even

-230 Raimondo on Indians (reply at -900) 

-228 a Seeley item - excertping one of Arena's comments: Hey Mark ol' Insect ie read a pretty in pink piet back of the rack "Hey,clueless" posts, or an archive read of Izsidor REX & his bureau boyz or the enegmatic Proffr1 & his Anarcho $1.00 OSD-R.A.T.S Bet Of Bets There Numbers Man! 

-202+6 this item tries to give pot a bad name scientifically but gets short shrift from the commmenters

-153+48!! Bush believer Ken brings out the best of the rest (or maybe just the testiness) fingertapping away about the untappable

at slash.autonomedia.org someone comments on Stewart Home's review of Q the italian novel on subversive culture (translation online free) with a pointer to what he feels is a better one: newleftreview.net/NLR25402.shtml 

333114 "Left": Stop Saying Quagmire! (english) Michael McGehee 9:39pm Thu Jul 17 '03 (Modified on 11:38pm Thu Jul 17 '03) It is getting as old as "word to yo' mutha" and "whazzzzup!" There are other words to use. Expand your language capacity, pick up a fucking thesaurus and/or dictionary. How about dilemma, entanglement, fix, hole, imbroglio, impasse, involvement, jam, mire, morass, muddle, pass, perplexity, pickle, pinch, plight, predicament, quandary, scrape and trouble. Pick one! -------- 3rd commenter = me: and oh, just one more thing dear bush admin. (english) piet 11:38pm Thu Jul 17 '03 comment#333138 don't you stuckin believe you can pull other nations into this . . .eh close approximation 'stage setsting' of hell on earth in urban settings . . . .. or pull out without convert forces to get 'm set to decently repair all damage done for a long term payment plan to be payed in solarly generated energy. --- this applies to dc 76413+33 (same topic, ain't read it yet) also

Melbourne 50608 Michael Pugliese (LBOer) sends me to Melbourne Indy (article on Liberia) I find pr needs a lawyer: 50608

49415+57 Neo-Fascists at the Melbourne Underground Film Festival by Shane Lyons --- also see 50335+21

332913 yet more terrible terrible news (since nobody that matters at the moment realizes the implications of it) by gush-shalom.org

333247 Distributed systems are more powerful (english) Jody Paulson 11:01am Fri Jul 18 '03 (Modified on 9:11pm Fri Jul 18 '03) address: Ft. Wayne, IN, USA jody_paulson@hotmail.com  This is a techie/political/philosophical musing in hopefully non-techie language. A recent post by the Arena guy (332735 -- Piet: quite unlike the one cited earlier in this file; they are pastes about stochasticism and what not) got me thinking about Neural Networks again (I was going to do my thesis on using Artificial Neural Networks in Geography when a crisis forced me out of school). I was re-reading a page from F.J. Pineda's course notes when I encountered the following table comparing the brain with a computer.

dc 77167 http://new.globalfreepress.com/ article.pl?sid=03/07/18/1440234 global free press on David Kelly's life in the biochemical arms industry -- they really gather the spins spun on this one - I haven't seen a Larouche flavor fulmination yet for some odd reason. ------------------ 333402 parenthetical ref to 332456 

333409+5 takers for the prophecy topic (2 by RW) ---------------

333408+8 (Arena puts in 5) MURDER BY POODLE: Blair, Straw, Campbell, Hoon in the line of fire (english) DAILY MIRROR -- best comment: Remember "Open Verdict"? (english) stuart 12:30pm Sat Jul 19 '03 comment#333448 It reminds me of the stories in "Open Verdict" by Tony Collins: an account of 25 mysterious deaths in the UK's defense industry. (Nowadays it's so rare that a copy's for sale for $40 - at least 4 times what I paid for my copy about ten years ago: bolerium.com/cgi-bin/bol48/74003.html)For comments on the cases by Professor Colin Pritchard, see orc.soton.ac.uk/view/409/ I'll always remember the weird cases like the "lady in the lake" who, according to British police, tied her wrists and ankles together and somehow staggered into a lake and drowned. And the guy who supposedly had a heart attack but for some reason made it look like he had killed himself... Then there were the fatal sexual experiments involving suffocation: after the book had been published, something similar happened to a British MP. By comparison with all these, the death of Dr David Kelly seems quite plausible as a case of suicide. The pressure he and his family was under was extraordinary; the initial evidence points to suicide; and I cannot think of any government or secret service that would gain any benefit at all from him dying right while the whole affair is in the limelight. Sorry folks, the conspiracy theorists don't get my vote this time. ------------------

333662 psreview.org/ Palestine Solidarity Review -- 2 commenters severely criticise this rag and accuse it of being a mossad front trying to divide palestinians and the west --- I go: samson, the philistines over you!!!!!!!!!! that's what you get for having gotten a haircut hippie!!!! (samson was of course an exponent/model of muddying the waters to mix the message or compound irreconcilables); fuse what movers and shakers in/of israel are thinking to get away with repeating on the one hand with autonomous and natural strenght for those who stay well clear of that sort of expansionistic 'claimancy'. Even Karl Kraus who had an eye for the jewish leverage nose fell for using the completely embedded and ingrained 'philistine' (and all possible derivariammarianisms thereof) in order to characterize all less desirable traits of cliques he clashed with, irrespective of race. It's a bible thing and how long before that has worn out (of) the white, whitish and mixed evangelized subconscious of sundry races pray tell????? -------Ps: I'd like to hear more about what the commenters before me are driving at. -------PsII: here is a volley of conversation from my favorite list: LBO thread called 'Law Student With a History of Taking Left Turns' (title of a NYT article) holds this contribution:  The PLO has publicly been in favor of some sort of two-state deal with Israel since 1976, all of which Israel rejected out of hand till Oslo, for obvious reasons. Indeed, it was the fear of Palestinian moderation that led to Israel's dalliance with the precursors to Hamas, forthright rejectionists who openly wanted, and still want, to shove the Jews into the sea. Now *that's* something Sharon and Co. can understand. DP ----- after which it spins out to south east asia: Are you saying that you think that Ho Chi Minh was better than Nguyen Van Thieu, that Mao Zedong was better than Chang Kaishek, and that Kim Il Sung was better than Syngman Rhee? Brad DeLong ------ 5 contributions (amongst them is a borderline pedantic, verbose and certainly value drained dry but still academically speaking usefool one by 'Yours in Christ, Brian Siano' which everybody ignores) later: Or, to put it another way, the first three were native leaders of mass movements that defended their people against First World (primarily US) depredations and took harsh measures to promote modernization. The second triad lacked mass backing because they were corrupt agents of narrow First World interests. Given the choice, the first are to be preferred, although a libertarian socialist republic -- hardly possible under Western attack -- would have been preferable to any of them. ----------- the thread swings back to an earlier note; Nathan Newman: A bit of a stretch since all but the most extreme Palestinians would allow Jews to remain even if the whole "river to sea" area was made one country. The issue illustrates the difference between the Israeli extremists and the Palestinian extremists. If Israel annexes all of "Judea and Samarian", ethnic clensing is required since Jews would no longer be a majority, so a democratic Jewish state is impossible without ethnic clensing. Conversely, Palestinians can obtain a state they would politically dominate without ethnic clensing, so even the more militant groups generally state that the Jews would be free to stay even if a single state was established for the whole region. So attributing ethnic clensing-- the official policy of parties within the ruling Israeli government -- to Palestinians and their supporters is just inaccurate. Some Palestinian groups are anti-Jewish and want their expulsion, but it is not the official policy of almost any Palestinian groups. ---------------- Brad de Long (prominent blogger): I *know* that you are not as much of an idiot as this post suggests... ----------- nathan Newman (ditto): I so love being a moderate on the issue of Israel-Palestine. I get denounced as a Zionist and an anti-semite for supporting a two-state solution. But the unmistakeable reality is that the OFFICIAL position of the rightwing parties in the present Likud government is "transfer", while the OFFICIAL position of the main Palestinian groups is either two-state solutions, or, a single state where Jews are welcome to stay as individual citizens. Most Israelis do not support transfer, but since it is considered a politically acceptable position in Israeli society, it would seem bizarre that merely advocating a single state without expulsion of the Jews would be unacceptable, even if a non-starter for negotiations with Israel. --  ---------------- You do not understand, Nathan. The Ps are untermenschen, whose dispossession Does Not Matter, whose interests need not and should be taken into account. Their violence is Unforgiveable and Wicked. How dare they kill babies and old women? While that of the Israeli state is merely retaliatory and therefore OK. The Ps are Liars too, which is why you can't belief their official positions. Anyone who suggests that this is racist claptrap and an obviously specious double standard is an Idiot whose arguments do not deserve the dignity of a response. I hope we are clear on everything now, you self-hating Jew. (another SHJ) -------- nathan Newman But I'm not even Jewish, except in some liberal Reformism given my atheism and Protestant Mom. So that gets me charges of being an insensitive goy and SHJ, sometimes based on the same comments. Based on this post: nathannewman.org/ log/archives/000804.shtml#000804, I ended up getting slammed with a mess of nasty comments and I ended up with a whole discussion, plus comments on the right of non-Jews to talk about Israel ----  Found a whole site called halfjew.com that has a whole identity group discussing the issues of half-breeds and their confused identity in American society. 000807.shtml#000807 All part of the fun of discussing the topic. -------------------- Sorry Nathan. Your angst makes you more Jewish than Kasha Varnishkes. You might as well get used to it. It's not so bad. You can feel superior to a lot of people. -------------- Oy vey! See Sander Gilman, "Jewish Self-Hatred: Anti-Semitism and the Hidden Language of the Jews." Torn at the Roots by Michael E. Staub, Columbia University Press, 2002. Quite sympatico w/ Jewish radical New left and left-liberalism, more broadly. http://www.amazon.com/ review When Bad Analogies happen to Good People, 3.6 stars, June 11, 2003 Reviewer: pnotley@hotmail.com (see more about me) from Edmonton, Alberta Canada Michael Staub has presented a somewhat unusual book at divisions within American Jews from the fifties to the mid-seventies. His book does not possess a formal conclusion, but consists of eight chapters and an introduction. The first looks at the struggle between communists and anti- communists and how they argued over the Holocaust and American racism. The next two discuss the growing divisions within American over civil rights, and the fourth looks at divisions over the Vietnam war. The fifth looks again at civil rights, the sixth looks at the rise of Radical Zionism, the seventh looks at debates over family and sexuality and the eighth looks at the brief life of the pro-peace group Breira. Staub concentrates on especially Jewish movements: non-Jewish organs such as Partisan Review or The New York Review of Books get little or no mention. The participants are often theologians and members of explicitly Jewish groups. Novelists such as Bellow, Malamud, Mailer or Singer get no mention, while Philip Roth is mentioned only in passing. This appears to me as a mistake, since these writers obviously have a lot to say about Jewish-black and Jewish-feminist relationships, the topic of his book. Moreover they strike me as far more influential and important than the theological debates and the small groups such as Jews for Urban Justice, the Radical Jewish Union, the Jewish Liberation Project, or even The Jewish Defence League that Staub concentrates on. Notwithstanding these eccentricities, Staub has still produced an interesting book. <<<snip>>>> -- Michael Pugliese ---------------------- Yoshie on the subject of Chris Hedges' NYTimes article (repeated at this point http://nuance.dhs.org/ lbo-talk/current/1252.html in the thread): I know Charlotte Kates from a now defunct listserv Marxism-International hosted by the Spoon Collective, where I first met Doug Henwood, Jim Farmelant, Carrol Cox, Michael Hoover, Michael Yates, Michael Perelman, Louis Proyect, Rakesh Bhandari, Zeynep Tufekcioglu (and Rahul Mahajan via Zeynep), Jon Flanders, Dennis Redmond, Chris Burford, Louis Godena, the late Jim Blaut, the late Mark Jones, etc. (Zeynep, Jon, & Lou G. were the moderators, I think). Justin Schwartz was on it, too. Some of us may not be here on LBO-talk (and/or Lou's Marxmail list), but for the Marxism-International days. At the United for Peace and Justice conference in Chicago, I met Rahul in person for the first time. When I introduced myself to him, he said that he knew me, which initially puzzled me because I had forgotten about Marxism-International. Then I remembered it all. :-0 :-> I wish I had been able to attend the Al-Awda International Convention in Toronto, where Charlotte was one of the speakers: al-awda.ca/loader.php?page=convention. Anyway, what's significant is that Charlotte and New Jersey Solidarity appear to be winning (the banner was not taken down despite the Israel Action Committee's sit-in, the conference was not called off, a sympathetic article by Chris Hedges gets published in the _New York Times_, etc), while advancing maximum democratic demands, without making any concession to liberals and Zionists at all. ------------------- Ethnic cleansing is hyperbolic charge, sure, but she's calling for a free >Palestine including what is now Israel. That suggest a one-state >solution, and not a binational one. My reading was close to Max's: get >the fuck out. Even if not her intent, it's such astoundingly stupid PR >that she deserved the press she got. ----------- Nathan Newman: Wait a second. One-state solution does not equal ethnic clensing. In fact, advocating ethnic enclave states has usually meant respective ethnic clensing (Turkey-Greece after WWI, Indian-Pakistan, etc), while one-state solutions usually are attempts at integration (Bosnia and even earlier Yugoslavia.) A two-state solution in Israel is based on expectations of most Jewish settlers getting out of the West Bank, so it's hardly about integration. I'm for a two-state solution just because, as I've said, Jews have the right to some real estate where they get to be nationalist bastards like anyone else, and the realities of history make anything else unlikely. But folks arguing for a negotiated one-state solution no more are necessarily arguing for ethnic clensing than those who have kept arguing for a multi-ethnic Bosnia. Folks like Brad may rightly doubt that a mutli-ethnic Israel-Palestine (or whatever it would be called) would protect all rights and would lead to abandonment of the state by the Jews, but it's hardly beyond the pale speech. I would not support such a position and opposed integrating it into the antiwar movement, as the WWP did, but the fact that there was even a debate about the group's right to meet at Rutgers is an obscene violation of the First Amendment. ------------ shane taylor: Oh Jesus. "Ethnic cleansing is hyperbolic charge," I said. And it wasn't one-state solution = ethnic cleansing. A one-state solution wasn't what I objected to, but "one-state solution, and *not a binational* one" (emphasis added). No one on this list, least of all myself, has objected to her right to hang the banner, which she was ultimately allowed to do. We are objecting to what she said, with it and in her comments to Hedges. Yet again, this is what I, like Brad and Max, was objecting to: ----------- > Ms. Kates also stirred up the campus in March > when her organization reserved banner space for > two weeks at the Douglass College Center. The > banner read: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine > Will be Free." > > "It was a call for all land between the Jordanian River > and the Mediterranean to be returned to the > Palestinians," she said. ----- Hedges, Max, Brad, and I all took that the same way. If her intent was otherwise, she screwed up. -- Shane --------------- That's because you assume that if the P's took back what was stolen from them, they'd treat the J the way the J's treated them, a point on which one would like to hear a bit more outrage. But in fact the evidence of South AFrica and other white setler states where majority rule was restored is quite otherwise. (Leaving Mygabe's recent repressiveness and racebaiting aside.) I happen to support a 2 state solution. But I regard the old PLO demand fora secular socialist unified Palestine to be an ideal, and that would mean precisely that "from the River to the Sea, Palestine Will be Free." The P's aren't brutes or vengeance mad-animals. The Js are not innocent civilized victims. Lets look at our assumptions, please! jks 

333616 ulydighed.dk/gb/sider/copenhagen.htm trilingual danish site

333598 freedom-force.org/links.htm the only link here is one to realityzone.com - from there one finds to me sem-sympa sites on drugless health and gold-backed monies, etc. This must be a site made by middle aged people who have always liked to act younger than their ages 

333594 Standing Elk Brings Star Knowledge to Illinois (english) Tracy Pitts 4:04pm Sun Jul 20 '03 (Modified on 11:41pm Sun Jul 20 '03) phone: 708.484.5861 tevelyn@thelightcener.com article#333594 Native American Chief Standing Elk teaches "Universal & Spiritual Laws of Creator." Free and opent to public. Holiday Inn Rolling Meadows, IL. 11:11 AM, August 2nd. ---- a3m scolds Seeley -- I go: wrong a3m, this has nothing to do with mark anymore .. . .after the old 4 pillarposts morphed ahead for generations . .. . sad to see so many stars and so little dust this guy has a lot of titles and sips tea around the worldwide new age circuit floating his fabulous froths - a well known ailments anthropologists suffer from to compensate for the awful straits and narrows ethnicities have gotten themselves up against. --- drboylan.com/ Dr. Richard Boylan, Ph.D., MSW, M.S. Ed. Adm., B.A. Researcher, Behavioral Scientist, Exo-Anthropologist, emeritus University Associate Professor of Psychology, Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist --- this is a new age circuit runner/star with frequent native contact but not to make up for the more ephemeral ufoic kind -- to his credit he links to places that have nothing to do with aliens: thehopiway.com/---- star-knowledge.net/ is Standing Elk's site out of Fort Collins; he is trying to do a rudimentary type of Arguelles of sorts on his fans (quarter of a million counted) --- click the stars for artful doodles and if you want to take it and expose yourself on my acount and 'authority', don't take 'm any more seriously or in any way sirius --- more art: bearcloudgallery.com/ 

333512 digitaldissent.freeservers.com/mediadiversity.org boycott-riaa.com/ becommented articles ------------- 333494+4 on microbiology - cryptogon.com - open-bio.org

333781+2 UK media articles on Kelly; very funny little gif here (Blair jumping up and down going "Please mr Bush, can we go to war now, can we, can we? -- a commenters pastes a rerun of a moscow times article by Chris Floyd wherein we find: Peddling Arms Blair's minions are putting the squeeze on India to accept a $1.4 Billion deal with arms merchant BAE Systems for 60 new jet fighters. This will no doubt have a very "calming influence" on the balance of power as the subcontinent teeters on the brink of nuclear war -- the same kind of calming influence gasoline has on fire. Of course, if Blair can get those billion war bucks into BAE's coffers, Master Georgie will be very pleased. For one of BAE's business partners is -- God, this is almost too easy! -- our old friends the Carlyle Group. -------------- 

333804 EURO MEDIA ON BLAIR KELLY - I go: closer to the top the more important (english) piet 12:18am Tue Jul 22 '03 comment#333812 their goddamn anonymity becomes .. . . yes that's right, too much liberty is a bad thing in most of our hands and even if not yet, rare the ones in whose hands it don't turn out that way, BAD! . . . . so Kelly, with all his payed up, legal, state authorized, borderline genocidal and way across it industrial snipertise felt something wasn't rite when his the brand on his butt was shown in public. Sources don't get mentioned unless they're dead, ergo, the BBC wants him as dead as those in givermound. Maybe they stopped him just in time from even more damning evidence. I think we should try the jim bell ideas for funding a little protection; guys like him, Pim Fortuyn etcetera need not have died. -------------- Oh and just one more thing (again) piet 12:30am Tue Jul 22 '03 comment#333816 there's the incircumventable matter of down to earth bio-physics to mention as precursor, parallel and unacknowledged guide/corrector for the dumb superstition that protects human sources (and thus perhaps far off relations) if/when they operate under the most violent of our/their kind. Scapegoatism and martyrdom point in this direction also by the way. Namely, the dead status accorded the tighter of mineral aggregates yielding to livelier and looser ones is a sacrifice and loss of distinct identity in order for the content to go forth, inform and multiply. I sure as hell would not doubt for a second if asked which of these activity are prominent due to a forgetfulness about the other, no two ways about it, yet we must struggle back up a dirty stream. --------- 

333813 is an annoying one line article on Kelly - I go: throw this in the bin please - should you not wish to I wish to offer rising tempers a safety valve to veritalbe substance on the subject: 333781 ---- whoops I meant 333804 really ------- hour later: well, I guess it stays --- who keeps count anyway? we all do: costofwar.com/ -------------- 333776 pr's two cents on the matter plus a good comment by Inspector Clouseau -------------- 

aboriginalconnections.com/ (via thedarkqueen.com) --- a very useful site counting outgoing clicks - in the international link catergory this one is by far the most popular: ldb.org/oz-indi.htm -------------- 

333773+6th =attila the nun tells it like it is, here's an excerpt: Assholes zip around in super expensive, super high-tech war machinery and not only terrorize innocent people, they kill, maim and torture them. They steel their resources, steal their ancient artifacts, their cultural memory, they destroy their infrastructure, their water supplies, their electrical system, etc... The assholes then give themselves big contracts for rebuilding the place and the assholes make the people pay. And they pat each other on the back; they have big ceremonies; they give themselves medals of honor for following orders... -

tvnewslies.org/html/important_sites.html pretty good linklist on a remarkably popular site considering the plain and simple makeup/layout 

333762+5 Amiri Baraka's supposed anti-semitism 

333820 www.mapuche-nation.org (see the last item in this file ((tortuga section)) further down)

gvnr.com/66/1.htm 99% rot by earth haters and other semi-semites -- Baffled Scientists Begin To Question Crop Circle Origins -- He discovered an increase in the degree of crystallinity (the ordering of atoms) in the circle minerals, which statistician Ravi Raghavan determined was statistically significant at the 95 percent level of confidence. "I was shocked," says Iyengar, a 30-year specialist in clay mineralogy. "These changes are normally found in sediments buried for thousands and thousands of years under rocks, affected by heat and pressure, and not in surface soils." 

hey, once again my birthday is good for something! -- "...he harbours frustrated literary ambitions and sardonically reflects, apropos of a huge opus sent to h ime from San Francisco by his younger brother Rex, that he is "on the point of being dragged into collaborating with someone seeking the lowest form of literary immortality as established and pioneered by the annoying James Joyce, who thought it would be such a good idea to create puzzle palaces for thousands of specialists to wander around in forever.""  from a review by John Updike of "Mortals", a novel by Norman Rush, in the New Yorker, June 2, 2003 

geocities.com/roundtable_texts/sacredterror.html Sharett piece posted by brian in the middle of the night at dc.indy 77417 - commenters fear for his health --------------- 77305+18 on USS Liberty has a looooong comment consisting of: BODY OF SECRETS JAMES BAMFORD Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency from the Cold War through a New Century Doubleday New york London Toronto Sydney Auckland  ------------ 77301+31 Dismayed by U.S. policies, some Americans move to Canada ---------------

?????? unn13.com posts on liberia (very good) - I go: drumming is like asking 'won't you .. (english) piet 4:37am Sun Jul 20 '03 comment#333518 ... come out to play'? so, who or what's in the drum that a polite knock would bring out? choose'm carefully, pick a full one. I was disrespectful to one according to the owner and he gave me a full hand, startling slap for it. I never found out if that meant he had no patience for any of the humdrum 'magic muses nine, music mine' at http://poetpiet.tripod.com implies/anticipates, he didn't seem very receptive. Care for some odd music? Tzolkin in C Major FINALIST IN TORU TAKEMITSU COMPOSITION AWARD 2002 operacity.jp/en/topics/020528.html 

333848 gendarmesleeps.narod.ru pretty interesting place with lots of poetry ------------ 333946+4 pretty high grade item about a labour femme taking right turns lately with news on how the Bush admin is run like a business that needs an audit 

334070 newvillage.net 2 = 'community scale economics' newvillage.net/Journal/issue2.html--- COMMUNITY SCALE ECONOMICS Issue 2 Table of Contents ------PLACEMAKING The New Urbanism Zoning and Housing that Serve Home-based Businesses By Michael Pyatok, FAIA ----- Share-It Square A Portland Neighborhood Creates Civic Riches by Andrea Montalbano -----Greenmarket Farmers' Markets of New York Make Modern Day Agora by Jane McGroarty Littleton, Colorado ------ A Self-reliant Community in the Global Age by Christian Gibbon -----FEATURE Amazing Shrinking Machines Local Economies are Thriving Alternatives to Globalism by Michael Shuman Resources for Community Scale Economies -------MICROENTERPRISE Profiles in Microlending Case Studies of Women Entrepreneurs by Betsy Brill ------ Encouraging New Entrepreneurs, Not Just Creating Jobs by Roberta Brandes ------- Gratz Resources for Microenterprises in the U.S. MONEY Making Money Sustainable Work in Progress at the Los Angeles Eco-Village by Lois Arkin ------- Community Currencies at a Crossroads New Ways Forward for Local Currencies and LETS Systems by Tom Cohen-Mitchell --------PROGRESSIVE BUSINESS MODELS Cooperatives Co-op and Worker Owned Businesses by Steve Bodzin Urban Aquaculture by Beth Ferguson -------  Sweet Economics New Cooperative Produces Chocolate Where it is Grown by Marc (Moth) ----- Green Resources for Cooperatives and Worker-Owned Businesses ---------SOCIAL PURPOSE VENTURES Youth Industry by Teresa Moore Resources in Community Economic Development ------------URBAN AGRICULTURE Urban Agriculture A Revolutionary Model for Economic Development Forward and Profiles by Chris LazarusProfiles in Urban Agriculture The Food Project- Roxbury and Lincoln, Massachusetts ===Isles Community Farm- Trenton, New Jersey ====Fairview Gardens- Goleta, California ===Annex Organics/ Field to Table- Toronto, Ontario ====Greensgrow Farm- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ==Growing Home- Chicago, Illinois ===Village of Arts and Humanities- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ====The Urban Agriculture Network- Washington, D.C. Resources in Urban Agriculture In Memory ------- 
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Richard Carson is a writer and a practicing planner of 30 years who lives and works in the Pacific Northwest. He is also the Internet editor for the Open Directory Project’s Urban and Regional Planning category that has some 400 website listings. 

Found quite early on in the session but it seems to have littel to do with dome tinkering:  http://members.aol.com/Sabrin1315/index2.htm Should check this out a little closer soon --- way deep into telemathmetical mysticisms, semitic paganoids and other flavors in occultitudes!!!!! 

michael rader's dome page seems to have disappeared a while ago, no google cache for it any longer dnaco.net/~michael/domes/domes.html or maybe it's down - everybody says (on older sites though) that he was the best resource around ----- 

//domegroup.org/domehomepics.html#johnrich ----  ---- http://domegroup.org/domelinks.html (plenny domes, good chance I 'll find him here . . .. geees maybe not, these guys don't even have a current URL for the famous Pavilion of Polyhedreality !!!! --- nor for this: Roger & Carol Partipilo's Web site You can see an animation of a dome being built, and find out about their dome home projects book and CD-ROM. ).. . .nah none of them are chaotically frayed around the loose end edges like this man I have in mind .....

... wait here he is . .. I thought for a moment upon recognizing the URL: midcoast.com/~bo/ -  sitting among the links here: Domebuilding with Concrete (and other materials) Collected, with comments, by Cathryn Martin -------- here are some artsy pages, this one messes with meshes: ~bo/mixIlusoryMeshes.html ---------- Nexinductor1.html nice torsion models 300K ------ . . .. .. .uh oh, . . ..this is not the guy resembling Pim ('conradi' the 'I want bowlshapes' ((a derivation of a dry light biscuit company named bolletje = little convex (and/or -cave) shape)) meaning that he will build them -- since to want and to will are odd enough expressed with the same conjugation) but in my search for him (through google rather than leafing back through my logs which is impossible since my sitefiles are starting to get as scattered as my jumps from theme to theme and I reserve straightening out till I have a fast enough machine that runs netscape and allows me to store stuff -- it's about time for a new linklist too)

I find a document that approaches Pim's work at a site I should explore more soon: ecotecture.com/library_eco/ecotechnology/ Jacobs_helicalgeom_1a.html

http://tonyrobbin.home.att.net/book_eng.htm engineering a new architecture --- also wrote computers art and the 4th dimension 

 synearth.net/Restricted-Confidential/ Gift/Gift_Tensegrity.html  Timothy Wilken ----------- via hf-lohmueller.de/links/index_se.htm I find: http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/polyhedra/

http://reality.sculptors.com/~hyprmail/domesteading/ 

frontiernet.net/~imaging/tenseg1.html Compression and Tension are good; Torque's a Killer. Plato, Fuller and the three little pigs. via http://home.pacbell.net/bullnose/bluetarp.htm#tensile Temporary Desert Structures 

matttaylor.com/public/DomeDwellings.htm  43rd with the searchwords geodesic dome waste material -

theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/ must be a man possessed with and fully focussed on dressing up the periodic table his very very own woody way -- here's this co-creator of mathematica (the program)'s page on how to get one: theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/HowToGetOne.html 

ceptualinstitute.com/mindways-sii.htm faintly rainbow fiercely formal but good to visit; it sorta stopped in 2001  but this mr Rose is/was(?) ahead of his time so don't let that bother you -- he reminds me of robert grace; saltless synthesis of all sorts of fringisms like greenglow: propulsion inventors through tinkering with gravity - lots of those in his linklist have given up the ghost or stagnated 

 http://bbs.monolithic.com/ 22 topics, 155 posts in Design and Dream Need help refining the design of your new dome? Have a wacky new design idea you'd like to bounce off the others? Let's have it. ------- 17 topics, 108 posts in Domes In Progress Many exciting Monolithic Dome projects are now in progress! MountainView, Tranquility Dome, Safe Harbor, Dome of a Home, Curlew Keep, Way of the Circle and more! Keep us updated on the progress of YOUR project. ------- these guys from 177 Dome Park Place - Italy, TX 76651 look like cutting edge cropcream sort of caliber stuff in a top dollar kind of away: -------- what suprises me is that this site don't come around untill the 41st google page for 'geodesic dome creative' but there a quite a few places selling their books within the fist hundred ----------- went through the first 30 clicks for 'dome' pics but no luck that way either though it was relentlessly entertaining 
 

Icosahedron - This place could do with more levelheaded discussion of the stages/layers/gradualizations between the supposed octahedron at the center of the earth and the icosahedronic (and/or -al?) arrangement of root races or ethnoflavors rather than the to me evermore much too cargo cultish galacticonfederacy fabulnation. Ps: why no more pics of the icosa in any of the pdf's (as far as I checked .. . quite a few)?? Ps: the site you linked has mathematechnical jargon to criticize hoagland bearden and Val Valerian with and under 'other polyhedra we find: cassiopaea.org/quantum_future /papers/qfract/node16.html I have made excursions through 'sacred geometry' featuring sites ever since starting to record my findings but haven't gathered them anywhere really so use a scatterbrain (like google) to find them. ------- a next commenter points out this link: cassiopaea.org/quantum_future/ papers/qfract/images/index.htm 

essential corrections: Glastonbury, UK: Earth Ascendence. 3 days of Natural living in Natural Time. Live music, poetry and performance will provide the main entertainment. Workshops include Sacred Geometry, Herbalism, Clay House Building, Yoga, Reiki, Introduction To Natural Time, Raw Food, Ethnobotany and Shamanism, Alternative Technology. Also provided will be Hot Tub and Sauna spaces, Body Painting, healing, interactive art displays and visuals, lots of bubbles, solar powered cinema, storytelling, fancy dress costumes, sacred ceremonies and treats for everybody!!!! This text is the apetizer for a javalink close to the top of the front page (iching71 something or other) but the link don't work; the second one to Glastonbury (the caravan) a little further down under the heading 'caravans' does work and probably reaches the document the first link tries to target. Please fix. I advertized it thusly at http://bristol.indymedia.org 7271 : A free grass-roots type festi for the extremely sensitive and extremely endangered (in danger of falling off the earth into spacious speculations) calender reformers of this day and age. Oh, almost forgot, in Glastonbury. --------- still no luck on finding the RAINBOW thread by the way, though the search engine is starting to work for me now (too??), it finds two other small threads in one of which 'rainbow' don't even occur once! (?) ------tortuga.com/condor.html don't work yet neither ------------------ the link in the library to the document interweaving Quran, Buddhist and Maya verses ditto - (must be the one that has been recalled to await further ripening and pearldigesting powers of us dumb swine)

RAINBOW (check the first fifth of this file for the preceding in this thread)--- I am glad this thread has been allowed on and/or decided to return after going missing a while yesterday. a fresh indymedia(.org) item 333300 points to www.cs.org (cultural survival -- Weekly Indigenous News - 1:52pm Fri Jul 18 '03 ----The Weekly Indigenous News is an online service provided by Cultural Survival to those who want to keep up-to-date on the latest news from and about the indigenous world. Each week we compile a diverse collection of original reports, feature articles, organization profiles, press releases, links to stories from other press outlets, and more. The News is intended to be a tool and resource for indigenous people, advocates, scholars, students and interested members of the general public, to help keep you abreast of current issues and events from and affecting indigenous communities around the globe.) and I decided to post a plug of sorts thusly: the single most universal/harmonic and yet, diverse, bottom on up conglomorate umbrella movement with the old sixties inspirations of flower power, bioregionalism, native autonomy, etc are swarming here: tortuga.com I find it more and more worth my time to struggle with the nasty side effects of their psychonauthood: ungrounded fabulation swallowing more time than good for us/them or anything else. I don't know what's worse, all these bullets, this blood poison and gore or the methodical structuring/realization of imaginations from fancies to chimerae about life off the earth ------- Ps: the number of that item has to be code for an octahedron don't you agree? (I have a nice one at index3.htm .. . . . . . . .See, that's what I mean, there is no end to the analogs, symmetries and synchronicities once you believe they exist, it becomes all the more fruitless absurd and counterproductive to hunt for them when there is the countless ways resulting from the simple freeing up (fr)action ((systemicizingly 'distributed' rock)) rite waiting to get started) OK, I'll try to dive into one the all too numerous numberless numerations around here again. Ps: they're charging a fee for the 26th of july festivities in Holland, offer commercial accomodations AND DO FIREWALKS!!!! - YUK!-- I've devoted plenny of my time and word rigging skill to the utter insult this sort of 'empowerments' costs the earth and us elsewhere. see this all you dutchspeakers: http://www.natuurlijketijd.nl Bilingual (E and D): 13mooncalender.com -------------- did noah come from mars? Or is he just a metaphor for man and his forest denuding, boat building ways causing floods? ----------- 

Day Out of Time Planning. Plan your bioregional Be in, July 25, 2003 or find the event closest to you. ---------  I added an article to the glastonbury thread: mapuche-nation.org/ english/html/events/0-1.htm Indigenous Festival and Conference (IFC) 2003 An Exciting New Free Festival & Conference Comes to Bristol! Create Centre - Smeaton Road, Bristol, Saturday 26th - Sunday 27th July 2003 An event in Bristol coinciding with the tortuga Glasto one  --   with a little note added: Perhaps a good idea to get an excursion caravan trial run going there??  ----------- ps: the dutch dayoutoftimers on the other hand plan to do the diabolic thing: firewalking -- I have posted criticisms (derived from John Ray deceased founder of body electronics) on it throughout the years, see below for a compilation. I fail to see how folks who put nice Apple-style bleu-translucently toned icons on the net 13moon.org/cgi-bin/calendar.cgi?can come up with this age old poor man's power trick/tool/weapon: fire's flame, glow and subjection/absorption. It comes across as extremist to me. Perhaps there is a danger one locks oneself into the seals/icons in the same way the subtler emotions get scorched by the firewalk .. . .?? Any thoughts? posted the relevant passage from: http://members.lycos.nl/ vadercats/miscs-n-logs/indymedia2.htm - 93k - along with other googlies -------------- 

I posted something similar in dutch in the events thread called 'Pan Belgium is rising , together' (with french contributions as well), asking again about the relationship between firewalking and fixed price charging (as announced to take place on the 25th near Apeldoorn) on the one hand and the pretty icons at the last link on the other

Tortuga search .. My (7th) comment: There we go again; create a system/infrastructure and the compliant majority crowds throng together to make the drudge drone and pawn parts of its chores as cosy and quizzy and squeezy as possibe and just OK. I am more the scout kind of guy who stays on the edge and looks out over/for nomanslands at edges and borders; I found a few sites via http://thirteenmoon.com - that illustrate partly what I mean: pauahtun.org/carlson_table.html A most level headed look at Mayan tracking and I don't see any refs to the amount of bloodpints all these numbers add up and/or correlate to, but maybe the Mayans weren't so bloody as the Nat Geog. Soc. is fond of showing us. --- pauahtun.org/Default_3.htm#Links A pleasantly light touch diverse list in keeping with previously mentioned page. hunab-ku.com/links/maya.htm another broad approach with a very elegant last link: juneau.com/home/janice/calendarland/ "If the Mayan calendar doesn't work for you, try one of these!" ------------- and now for something completely different: reality bites!!! http://webusers.anet-dfw.com/~vinnie/  ---- livezone.com/maya/ ------------------------- Out here in scoop skip crossover kintry one sees how colours and contentious cons bleed into each other and one can take note of the frayz, the frazzles, the frays the strays the straddles, the phrases, phases, arbitrary disputes and just plainly plumcrazy pursuits . .. . . ... geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/noi2.html A little document (by A. Idris Palmer Executive Director The Society for Adherence to the Sunnah) an examplary simple piece of proof that Farrakhan and Tynetta Muhammad are religious loonies (clinging to some very far out theories indeed; black man came from the moon and created white ones 6600 years ago) Little wonder Arguelles, a man with a Messiah complex himself would slither close and see how he holds and measures up with the competition --- there seems no better way to bloat ego than with big numbers and the less one has to keep tabs on real stuff they should decently stand for the fewer the restraints and the bigger they 'grow' ------------- godswater2002.com/ TESTIMONYFILES/marswars.htm ------------- 19.org/english/articles/code19.htm The summary of Code 19 presented below is en excerpt from "The Prime Argument," a two-round argument between Edip Yuksel and astronomer Carl Sagan. . .. . .. .. . in order to arrive at a no nonsense (yet all nonsense) rock solid bottom line (. . .yet with the resolve necessary to have impact there and make it fruitfull): down with crowds and pecking orders, up with pleaching and permaculture